Wales v All Blacks
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Once Ratima decided not to kick and instead pass the pill, the All Blacks played better. His kicks were awful and put the ABs under pressure. Overall, not a bad game from the starting backs from 10 to 15.
@cgrant said in Wales v All Blacks:
Once Ratima decided not to kick and instead pass the pill, the All Blacks played better. His kicks were awful and put the ABs under pressure. Overall, not a bad game from the starting backs from 10 to 15.
Ratimas box kicks were shite for any level - just should be better, I think he could be way better and has been way better- looks confused and lacking confidence and that most likely stems from the coaches
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@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
@junior said in Wales v All Blacks:
@jimmyb said in Wales v All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Wales v All Blacks:
A good performance according to Jeff Wilson and Mils.
One amateur era player and the guy who got replaced by Dagg cause he can't catch a high ball? Lucky we have those two rugby geniuses on our TVs
Some serious revisionist bullshit going on here. Mils was gobbling Up the highball in 2010. He was injured for most of 2011 and Dagg’s attacking play was irresistible.
Absolutely.
Goldie and Mils were both sensational players. Insult their punditry all you want but never forget how they went in the Black jersey.
I'm actually genuinely offended on their behalf.
So true watched Wilson play live and was amazing how fast and athletic he was,,, its a common theme with players who turn commentators people either forget or are too young to appreciate just how good they were. Both Wilson and MIls have good games and bad when commentating,,, remember the hate Mex got and Stu
@kidcalder said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
@junior said in Wales v All Blacks:
@jimmyb said in Wales v All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Wales v All Blacks:
A good performance according to Jeff Wilson and Mils.
One amateur era player and the guy who got replaced by Dagg cause he can't catch a high ball? Lucky we have those two rugby geniuses on our TVs
Some serious revisionist bullshit going on here. Mils was gobbling Up the highball in 2010. He was injured for most of 2011 and Dagg’s attacking play was irresistible.
Absolutely.
Goldie and Mils were both sensational players. Insult their punditry all you want but never forget how they went in the Black jersey.
I'm actually genuinely offended on their behalf.
So true watched Wilson play live and was amazing how fast and athletic he was,,, its a common theme with players who turn commentators people either forget or are too young to appreciate just how good they were. Both Wilson and MIls have good games and bad when commentating,,, remember the hate Mex got and Stu
They didn't just call him Goldie because of his hair. One of the most instinctive rugby players I ever saw
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I watched most of it , struggled a bit through tiredness and went back to bed when the result looked secure ,
Gee we seem to easily leak points these days , that was probably the thing that stood out strongest for me
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I watched most of it , struggled a bit through tiredness and went back to bed when the result looked secure ,
Gee we seem to easily leak points these days , that was probably the thing that stood out strongest for me
@kiwiinmelb said in Wales v All Blacks:
I watched most of it , struggled a bit through tiredness and went back to bed when the result looked secure ,
Gee we seem to easily leak points these days , that was probably the thing that stood out strongest for me
We don't dictate and control the play anymore. Other teams impose their will on us
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@Dan54 yeah I really doubt my leg is being pulled, my mate has given me other rugby info ahead of time such as Ngani Laumape to Moana, Kyle Brown to the Chiefs and Flyn yates to the blues. beats me why Hansen doesn't rate Ruben, he would be in my 1st choice 23 Dan. 50 minutes today was his lot this Tour sigh well that's life I guess
@Grooter said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Dan54 yeah I really doubt my leg is being pulled, my mate has given me other rugby info ahead of time such as Ngani Laumape to Moana, Kyle Brown to the Chiefs and Flyn yates to the blues. beats me why Hansen doesn't rate Ruben, he would be in my 1st choice 23 Dan. 50 minutes today was his lot this Tour sigh well that's life I guess
Don't listen to them mate. Nice of you to share what you get told.
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@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
I would have really liked to have seen Love get a run at 10. What are they afraid of?
Thats RM jersey and BB is keepng it mediocre until he is available= no point anyone being allowed the opportunity to shine and make the changeover more complex
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Letting this dogshit Welsh side score 4 tries is embarrassing. They wouldn't even beat the Highlanders.
@hikastags said in Wales v All Blacks:
Letting this dogshit Welsh side score 4 tries is embarrassing. They wouldn't even beat the Highlanders.
Yeah hard to disagree. They lack on the physical side of the game to be really competitive at present. The game itself felt like a mid table Super Rugby fixture, with the AB defence awful on the outsides. So many players out their, for all their positive play, have so many bad habits in their games.
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@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
I would have really liked to have seen Love get a run at 10. What are they afraid of?
Thats RM jersey and BB is keepng it mediocre until he is available= no point anyone being allowed the opportunity to shine and make the changeover more complex
@kidcalder said in Wales v All Blacks:
@brodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
I would have really liked to have seen Love get a run at 10. What are they afraid of?
Thats RM jersey and BB is keepng it mediocre until he is available= no point anyone being allowed the opportunity to shine and make the changeover more complex
25 minutes to go with the game well won and they could have moved him to 10 but instead they take him off for Reece.
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@hikastags said in Wales v All Blacks:
Letting this dogshit Welsh side score 4 tries is embarrassing. They wouldn't even beat the Highlanders.
Yeah hard to disagree. They lack on the physical side of the game to be really competitive at present. The game itself felt like a mid table Super Rugby fixture, with the AB defence awful on the outsides. So many players out their, for all their positive play, have so many bad habits in their games.
@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
@hikastags said in Wales v All Blacks:
Letting this dogshit Welsh side score 4 tries is embarrassing. They wouldn't even beat the Highlanders.
Yeah hard to disagree. They lack on the physical side of the game to be really competitive at present. The game itself felt like a mid table Super Rugby fixture, with the AB defence awful on the outsides. So many players out their, for all their positive play, have so many bad habits in their games.
Yeah it doesnt seem to matter who we put out there the defence is poor.
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McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Wales v All Blacks:
I watched most of it , struggled a bit through tiredness and went back to bed when the result looked secure ,
Gee we seem to easily leak points these days , that was probably the thing that stood out strongest for me
We don't dictate and control the play anymore. Other teams impose their will on us
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@kiwiinmelb said in Wales v All Blacks:
I watched most of it , struggled a bit through tiredness and went back to bed when the result looked secure ,
Gee we seem to easily leak points these days , that was probably the thing that stood out strongest for me
We don't dictate and control the play anymore. Other teams impose their will on us
Yeah we are very passive , it’s disturbing to me how the so called lesser teams seem to be right in the game and have lots of success against us .
I think we are at the crossroads and in danger of slipping further like the wallabies did years ago if we aren’t careful.
Maybe our talent production line will always be stronger than theirs and will prevent that happening but it does feel a bit similar with the on field stuff . -
@hikastags said in Wales v All Blacks:
Letting this dogshit Welsh side score 4 tries is embarrassing. They wouldn't even beat the Highlanders.
Yeah hard to disagree. They lack on the physical side of the game to be really competitive at present. The game itself felt like a mid table Super Rugby fixture, with the AB defence awful on the outsides. So many players out their, for all their positive play, have so many bad habits in their games.
@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
Yeah hard to disagree. They lack on the physical side of the game to be really competitive at present. The game itself felt like a mid table Super Rugby fixture, with the AB defence awful on the outsides. So many players out their, for all their positive play, have so many bad habits in their games.
That seems right to me. The coaches seem to have trouble hiding, minimizing, or working around weaknesses. The better, bigger, faster, better kicking teams exploit this.
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McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
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@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
Yeah that's fair. But hardly had a carry and didn't make many tackles to my eye (not that the team as a whole had many to make).
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@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
Nice to know they have it in them
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@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
Yeah that's fair. But hardly had a carry and didn't make many tackles to my eye (not that the team as a whole had many to make).
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Wales v All Blacks:
McKenzie such a clear upgrade, not perfect (apart from the goalkicking), but ball moved rapidly to space and all of a sudden our wingers are scoring tries. Contestable kicks were better. Long kicks were better. And most of that with Ratima really struggling with kicking and delivery, and not running once that I recall - vs Barrett having Roigard. As fucking expected for fuck's sake Raygun you dullard.
Samisoni very good, both around the field and 100% in the lineout. More suited to start than come off the bench.
Holland, what a great season.
Sititi very good, while Kirifi and Parker were pretty anonymous - and finally, finally we've seen one of our loosies wind up.
Ioane a couple of uncharacteristic really poor bits of defence in conjunction with Jordan, otherwise good. ALB good too. LF continues to look dangerous and have terrible ball security.
Clarke excellent on attack, got done by the excellent LRZ a couple of times though.
Love rocks and diamonds, which is fine for a young guy who has hardly played. Showed that he deserves more opportunities, and looked genuinely angry after scoring, which you'd have to assume is a reaction to the non-selection. Then gets dragged after 50... probably not match fit I suppose...Game was always likely to be a bit of a mess, with the lack of combinations, guys who hadn't played much, the tendency to overplay when finally give a chance, and the knowledge that the coach neither trusts you or thinks that this game is any sort of a challenge.
Some excellent cleans by Parker, something that you could seldom say about an AB loosie recently.
Yeah that's fair. But hardly had a carry and didn't make many tackles to my eye (not that the team as a whole had many to make).
Perhaps as long as each player has a primary task they can perform well would be better than a bunch of guys not doing the hard stuff because they are all wanting to seagull out in the backs
