New All Black Coach
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I reckon there would be literally a thousand guys running around playing Aussie rules at everything from 14 years old up who could put a cross kick on the button better than our ABs can. That's where the coaching is needed in my opinion, and it's where we lose the contest: we might be 50% on opposition kicks, but they eat up 80% of ours.
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@reprobate NIck Evans played AFL didnt he?
Weren't there whispers he was coming back at one point, Wiki says he was with England as thier attack coach in 2023, otherwise still with Harlequins.
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@taniwharugby yup, though in NZ. I think my point is that you don't need a fancy coach to be a shitload better than where we are currently. Schoolkids do it better.
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@reprobate yep, many of our skills all round have deteriorated slowly over the past 7 or 8 years.
The drum I keep banging is getting a broad view of improvements in the game (nationwide) and get a plan to improve these, and I keep going back to when the Cron way of scrumming had us as the most dominant, Cron was hitting all the provinces and running clinics.
That has its good and bad points, but the main point is that at the time, NZR from top down was trying to improve our scrummaging.
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@taniwharugby absolutely. Top down analysis of trends and skills, rule changes and opportunities they provide etc, and provide those resources for all teams. They can then choose to do/use what they want, but centralisation should be to our advantage.
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@taniwharugby said in New All Black Coach:
That has its good and bad points, but the main point is that at the time, NZR from top down was trying to improve our scrummaging.
Definitely - it worked well for us.
Problem is if we get the wrong coaching going on we make players actively worse. It's a real risk - but with a small population we have to lean on our advantages, and the big one is centralised led alignment in play style/skillsets/contracting
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@booboo said in New All Black Coach:
But that revenue has to fund the entire professional, and much of the amateur, game in NZ.
Yeah, that's why I named England and France at the top.
I forgot Japan tho, add the national union revenue (probably not much) and the club revenue together and they will probably be ahead of NZ as well.
But NZ will be comfortably ahead of everyone else. All the other rugby countries have pretty much the same revenue model as NZ, the national team subsidizing the rest of the sport.This model is becoming issue in NZ cricket at the mo.
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@antipodean said in New All Black Coach:
@Frank said in New All Black Coach:
David Brent (Hansen) as defacto head coach? WTF?
That's fantastic - mods should make that an automatic replacement!
"Trust, encouragement, reward, loyalty... satisfaction. That's what I'm..you know. Trust people and they'll be true to you. Treat them greatly, and they will show themselves to be great." - Scott Brent.
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@canefan said in New All Black Coach:
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@game_film said in New All Black Coach:
Be interesting to see how Razor would go coaching the ABs when the Scott Hansen era ends.
Yeah will be interesting because he does come across as a guy who likes having his own men that he trusts by his side as opposed to having guys chosen for him. He seems like a man that wants full control.
If he wants full control, then why does he let Hansen essentially coach the team?
If Scott Hansen applied for the role in 2024 would he have even been seriously considered for an interview?
This stinks.
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@reprobate said in New All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby yup, though in NZ. I think my point is that you don't need a fancy coach to be a shitload better than where we are currently. Schoolkids do it better.
Shit reprobate, I think one of our problems is coaching at school kid level. I been gobsmacked at how structured out 1st XVs have become. I think because of top level schools are so focused on winning or whatever our kids are getting a lot of the flair coached out of them.
And unfortunately, I think from a couple of things I have seen watching some kids games it starts at a lot lower than that. I was watching a couple of kids training sessions at different times and places, and was pissed off seeing coaches yelling at kids about 10-12yo and getting them to bridge etc when ball was on ground, then spending a lot of times on lineouts etc just clinical. At that age I firmly believe kids should be learning how to pass ball , and just run towards gaps etc. I still think it not helping us in our skills with kids coming through.
Maybe I wrong, I always believed coaching kids is about how to and not why too. Show them how to pass, where to put ball on ground when tackled, how to pick and go. And the most important thing to teach them with breakdown is the safety factor, come in with head up and eys open, so they don't get hurt and go off the game. Just seems we have too many kids coaches who seem to think they coaching a senior team who's ONLY job is to win.Lol ok my rant for day.
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@Dan54 For a rant it makes sense.. coaches at junior level love the complexities of lineouts etc and ignore the basics or take it for granted. Teach catching -passing -running into space heads up rugby, tackling tech.
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@Dan54 said in New All Black Coach:
@reprobate said in New All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby yup, though in NZ. I think my point is that you don't need a fancy coach to be a shitload better than where we are currently. Schoolkids do it better.
Shit reprobate, I think one of our problems is coaching at school kid level. I been gobsmacked at how structured out 1st XVs have become. I think because of top level schools are so focused on winning or whatever our kids are getting a lot of the flair coached out of them.
And unfortunately, I think from a couple of things I have seen watching some kids games it starts at a lot lower than that. I was watching a couple of kids training sessions at different times and places, and was pissed off seeing coaches yelling at kids about 10-12yo and getting them to bridge etc when ball was on ground, then spending a lot of times on lineouts etc just clinical. At that age I firmly believe kids should be learning how to pass ball , and just run towards gaps etc. I still think it not helping us in our skills with kids coming through.
Maybe I wrong, I always believed coaching kids is about how to and not why too. Show them how to pass, where to put ball on ground when tackled, how to pick and go. And the most important thing to teach them with breakdown is the safety factor, come in with head up and eys open, so they don't get hurt and go off the game. Just seems we have too many kids coaches who seem to think they coaching a senior team who's ONLY job is to win.Lol ok my rant for day.
Agree that coaching basic skills to kids is more important Dan, though I do feel that a lot of our historic ability in pass/catch/run/look for space comes from the unstructured games of touch, league, bullrush etc rather than training. That's just what happens naturally.
Skills like the cross-kick and overhead catch come from AFL, kids who grow up with football are invariably superior kickers in all facets, basketball skills are great for accurate passing to moving targets, offloading and finding a way to get the ball to where it needs to be through traffic. These skills are all things that you don't get to a high standard from just playing rugby or practising lineouts and scrums - there are clear areas where specific training can quickly make a difference because the standard required at international rugby level is actually pretty low compared to the sports where these are core skills.
I do find it astonishing that professional sportspeople can't e.g. kick off a left foot - or in the case of many players, kick effectively at all. Such an easy skill to improve with basic repetition, and you can't go to the gym 24/7.
