Bokke vs Wales
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@OomPB said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben will be back for the All Blacks.
And he'll be known as Eben the Eye Gouger.
As @booboo has said, a sad way for a great player to end a remarkable career. - and he did that all by himself.
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@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
@mariner4life also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
I'm sure Martin Luther Savea was touched by the Holy Spirit and was compelled by God to say some nice stuff about his uso
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@mohikamo said in Bokke vs Wales:
@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
Yeah, love to know the process that brought it all about.
Same as BB.
Almost seems like they are volunteering themselves (rather than being asked) to "help out."If they are volunteering themselves, that is starting to show us something of the current "AB culture."
That'd be a bit too "huggy" for my liking.FML the All Blacks are turning into the Black Caps under McCullum - sport's nice guys that never win anything
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
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@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
You ever stop to think Grubs, just maybe off the field they mates? What was in the glowing reference that has got you so upset? (I admit I haven't faintest idea what was written).If you genuinely believe we fall apart because they mates off field, you must of hated the likes of Jerry Collins, Tana Umaga, Brad Thorn, Buck Shelford etc who were real proud to be mates with opposition off field. I just don't get the Ardie hate, although I note it's trendy on here last few months.
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@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Jesus Savea usurps Jesus Razor.
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Got one other thought, Estebeth must have pretty weak fingers for a big man. If he really was intentionally trying to gouge Manns' eye, and couldn't even cause an injury , he obviouly weaker in his hands than he looks. Richard Loe and friends must be shaking their heads in disgust!
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
You ever stop to think Grubs, just maybe off the field they mates? What was in the glowing reference that has got you so upset? (I admit I haven't faintest idea what was written).If you genuinely believe we fall apart because they mates off field, you must of hated the likes of Jerry Collins, Tana Umaga, Brad Thorn, Buck Shelford etc who were real proud to be mates with opposition off field. I just don't get the Ardie hate, although I note it's trendy on here last few months.
Mate. I very rarely stop to think!
I just dont see why a senior All Black provides a character reference to a senior springbok.
In isolation it may seem an over the top reaction but it seems the AB culture is too nice these days and not ruthless enough (i know it isn't conclusive proof but its just a feeling and may come across as irrational).
We look to be very un-All Black like on the field and wilt under pressure badly at times. And we appear very un all black like off the field. I know times change and there is a much larger PI influence in the squad (and that brings a different element - not a criticism at all, just an observation) to but it just feels we have lost that connection to the AB legacy, culture and an absolute ruthless approach to becoming the best side again.
Last time Savea played the boks he was part of a record AB loss. Now he is rushing to their aid to help them.
Fuck them. Dont give them anything. Whats bad for them is good for us. It should burn inside that we lost to them like we did in Wellington and Savea should be setting that tone as a senior AB and probable captain next year.
I know i am old school but when we tour there next year, the boks will see this as a chance to humiliate the All Blacks. And they will be laser focussed on doing just that. We have lost that attitude.
Ramblings over.
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@junior said in Bokke vs Wales:
@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
@mariner4life also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
I'm sure Martin Luther Savea was touched by the Holy Spirit and was compelled by God to say some nice stuff about his uso
'Martin Luther Savea' lol.
How have the ABs come to the point where our players are now using the national team to boost their instagram profiles?
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One thing that has always annoyed me and not.sure.there is an easy answer, is that a player has offended at test level, yet, they could miss games at level well below to count toward thier ban, without any punishment at test level.
I can't recall which AB it was (maybe SBW) was able to use one of those game of 3 halves they have sometimes as one of his games he couldn't play, so wrong.
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@OomPB said in Bokke vs Wales:
@reprobate they are both dead.
Even better (not for them, for the process).
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@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
You ever stop to think Grubs, just maybe off the field they mates? What was in the glowing reference that has got you so upset? (I admit I haven't faintest idea what was written).If you genuinely believe we fall apart because they mates off field, you must of hated the likes of Jerry Collins, Tana Umaga, Brad Thorn, Buck Shelford etc who were real proud to be mates with opposition off field. I just don't get the Ardie hate, although I note it's trendy on here last few months.
Mate. I very rarely stop to think!
I just dont see why a senior All Black provides a character reference to a senior springbok.
In isolation it may seem an over the top reaction but it seems the AB culture is too nice these days and not ruthless enough (i know it isn't conclusive proof but its just a feeling and may come across as irrational).
We look to be very un-All Black like on the field and wilt under pressure badly at times. And we appear very un all black like off the field. I know times change and there is a much larger PI influence in the squad (and that brings a different element - not a criticism at all, just an observation) to but it just feels we have lost that connection to the AB legacy, culture and an absolute ruthless approach to becoming the best side again.
Last time Savea played the boks he was part of a record AB loss. Now he is rushing to their aid to help them.
Fuck them. Dont give them anything. Whats bad for them is good for us. It should burn inside that we lost to them like we did in Wellington and Savea should be setting that tone as a senior AB and probable captain next year.
I know i am old school but when we tour there next year, the boks will see this as a chance to humiliate the All Blacks. And they will be laser focussed on doing just that. We have lost that attitude.
Ramblings over.
There in perhaps lies the difference mate. When we play the Boks (or any team) I want them to have every player they can available. I want us to beat the best, not what's left over. I want no excuses when we win or lose.
I old fashioned like that, have never found it as enjoyable when we beat teams shorn of players through injury or suspension etc. Also old school enough to love the fact that after the game has finshed players are great mates. And I don't judge how hard we are as players off the field, only on it.
See stories like Umaga and George Gregan deciding they were going to play rugby together at a club while having a beer in a pub after a test there. And as I said Jerry Collins was real stoked to be mates with many he played against, always said he often caught up with opposition player in super at airports as they crossed paths, and they always had beer s etc.
Mind you I never agree with them mixing with opposition before a game under any circumstances (that is at any level), but after and off the field I really like they are mates.And to top it off, as I said, I would of been happy if he got a year or so, but think 12 weeks is probably fair anyway. Shit act, but no injury, and it still twice as long as that prick Swain got for putting out Quinn Tupaea for best part of a year! Remember Hore smacking Bradley Davies from behind laying him out and putting him in hospital?
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