Bokke vs Wales
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@game_film said in Bokke vs Wales:
April 18. Ospreys vs Sharks. Physical price.
Mann plays for Cardiff
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@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
Re posted for relevance
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I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
You’re just being silly now. Finger near eye for ~ 1 second. No injury occurred. As for roids, well didn’t figure you for falling into stereotypes but I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.
i wonder whether your opinion would be different if it wasn't a South Africa player involved. I am very sure mine wouldn't be.
As for the roids dig, hell, there's so much evidence of steroid use in school boy rugby in South Africa it has always struck me as unlikely that players simply stop using them as they progress through the levels. Where there's smoke and all that. But yes, it was a dig, at a fluffybunny who'd just shoved his finger in someone's eye. I'm sure he'll survive
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@mariner4life said in Bokke vs Wales:
The All Blacks are a bunch of fucking cats.
But even above that, why the fuck does a character reference from someone who wasn't even playing come in to it.
A good character can do a henious thing.
Should be totally irrelevant to the 5 seconds of violence
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Duluth said in Bokke vs Wales:
world.rugby/organisation/governance/regulations/reg-17/appendix-1
Intentional Contact with Eye(s) (7)
Low-end:
12 weeks/matchesMid-range:
18 weeks/matchesTop-end:
24+ weeks/matchesMax:
208 weeks/matches
So where does this fit? Mid range?
I would inclined to go low end. The other player was not injured and watching the video he (Etsebeth) appears to move his thumb away after he realizes it’s in his eye.
Keep digging. Every time you try to defend innocent Eben it make you look sillier and sillier
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@MiketheSnow Of course. And Eben won’t even make the trip.
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@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
Everything you need to know about Etzebeth summed up in this video.
Gets put on his arse fairly and squarely by a small winger (Niniashvili).
Gets up and chases the play.
Same winger has made a subsequent tackle and Etzebeth gratuitously flies into his back like the proverbial Exocet missile with the winger in a prone, vulnerable position with his back to him.
It was malevolent and gratuitous.
A dog act.
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@OomPB said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben will be back for the All Blacks.
And he'll be known as Eben the Eye Gouger.
As @booboo has said, a sad way for a great player to end a remarkable career. - and he did that all by himself.
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@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
@mariner4life also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
I'm sure Martin Luther Savea was touched by the Holy Spirit and was compelled by God to say some nice stuff about his uso
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@mohikamo said in Bokke vs Wales:
@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
Yeah, love to know the process that brought it all about.
Same as BB.
Almost seems like they are volunteering themselves (rather than being asked) to "help out."If they are volunteering themselves, that is starting to show us something of the current "AB culture."
That'd be a bit too "huggy" for my liking.FML the All Blacks are turning into the Black Caps under McCullum - sport's nice guys that never win anything
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
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@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
You ever stop to think Grubs, just maybe off the field they mates? What was in the glowing reference that has got you so upset? (I admit I haven't faintest idea what was written).If you genuinely believe we fall apart because they mates off field, you must of hated the likes of Jerry Collins, Tana Umaga, Brad Thorn, Buck Shelford etc who were real proud to be mates with opposition off field. I just don't get the Ardie hate, although I note it's trendy on here last few months.
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@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Jesus Savea usurps Jesus Razor.
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Got one other thought, Estebeth must have pretty weak fingers for a big man. If he really was intentionally trying to gouge Manns' eye, and couldn't even cause an injury , he obviouly weaker in his hands than he looks. Richard Loe and friends must be shaking their heads in disgust!
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
You ever stop to think Grubs, just maybe off the field they mates? What was in the glowing reference that has got you so upset? (I admit I haven't faintest idea what was written).If you genuinely believe we fall apart because they mates off field, you must of hated the likes of Jerry Collins, Tana Umaga, Brad Thorn, Buck Shelford etc who were real proud to be mates with opposition off field. I just don't get the Ardie hate, although I note it's trendy on here last few months.
Mate. I very rarely stop to think!
I just dont see why a senior All Black provides a character reference to a senior springbok.
In isolation it may seem an over the top reaction but it seems the AB culture is too nice these days and not ruthless enough (i know it isn't conclusive proof but its just a feeling and may come across as irrational).
We look to be very un-All Black like on the field and wilt under pressure badly at times. And we appear very un all black like off the field. I know times change and there is a much larger PI influence in the squad (and that brings a different element - not a criticism at all, just an observation) to but it just feels we have lost that connection to the AB legacy, culture and an absolute ruthless approach to becoming the best side again.
Last time Savea played the boks he was part of a record AB loss. Now he is rushing to their aid to help them.
Fuck them. Dont give them anything. Whats bad for them is good for us. It should burn inside that we lost to them like we did in Wellington and Savea should be setting that tone as a senior AB and probable captain next year.
I know i am old school but when we tour there next year, the boks will see this as a chance to humiliate the All Blacks. And they will be laser focussed on doing just that. We have lost that attitude.
Ramblings over.
