Bokke vs Wales
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@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
You’re just being silly now. Finger near eye for ~ 1 second. No injury occurred. As for roids, well didn’t figure you for falling into stereotypes but I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.
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Look, I pretty pissed off with what Estebeth did, read my first post on it, and happy if he had got huge suspension.
But a few are getting into fluffybunny territory with Ardie (or it seems any ABs) shouldn't give character references , and BB shouldn't of said what everyone could see, that the Irish fella had no time to react etc.
What the f*** is it, if it not an AB we want everyone hung etc. The judiciary have given a bloody complete report of the whole process, who they listened to, and reasons for giving him the 12 weeks , and why he didn't get time off etc. They even suggest just maybe the ref while being correct in his RC etc, perhaps missed something by only having one view of the screen etc. The bottom line is he deserved everything he got in suspension, but to suggest he was having a few digs at his eyes etc (in 1 second?) is just rubbish.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
Ah, South Africans on the panel are there? Poor old Eben.
Actually, I don't believe so.
Well that's good if so. Intent is a very hard thing to prove or disprove in this situation I would have thought - but really my opinion is as simple as: if you make the decision to attack someone's face, well, that's where their fucking eyes are - and that makes it deliberate.
Not sure if that would make for a fair process though. Accidental contact with the eyes is different than deliberate obviously. This could be a career defining issue for him not to mention the money he will likely lose. I find it hard to believe that he went after his eyes.
Accidental? Take the green and gold eyepatch off.
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@game_film said in Bokke vs Wales:
April 18. Ospreys vs Sharks. Physical price.
Mann plays for Cardiff
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@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
Re posted for relevance
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I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
You’re just being silly now. Finger near eye for ~ 1 second. No injury occurred. As for roids, well didn’t figure you for falling into stereotypes but I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.
i wonder whether your opinion would be different if it wasn't a South Africa player involved. I am very sure mine wouldn't be.
As for the roids dig, hell, there's so much evidence of steroid use in school boy rugby in South Africa it has always struck me as unlikely that players simply stop using them as they progress through the levels. Where there's smoke and all that. But yes, it was a dig, at a fluffybunny who'd just shoved his finger in someone's eye. I'm sure he'll survive
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@mariner4life said in Bokke vs Wales:
The All Blacks are a bunch of fucking cats.
But even above that, why the fuck does a character reference from someone who wasn't even playing come in to it.
A good character can do a henious thing.
Should be totally irrelevant to the 5 seconds of violence
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Duluth said in Bokke vs Wales:
world.rugby/organisation/governance/regulations/reg-17/appendix-1
Intentional Contact with Eye(s) (7)
Low-end:
12 weeks/matchesMid-range:
18 weeks/matchesTop-end:
24+ weeks/matchesMax:
208 weeks/matches
So where does this fit? Mid range?
I would inclined to go low end. The other player was not injured and watching the video he (Etsebeth) appears to move his thumb away after he realizes it’s in his eye.
Keep digging. Every time you try to defend innocent Eben it make you look sillier and sillier
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@MiketheSnow Of course. And Eben won’t even make the trip.
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@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
Everything you need to know about Etzebeth summed up in this video.
Gets put on his arse fairly and squarely by a small winger (Niniashvili).
Gets up and chases the play.
Same winger has made a subsequent tackle and Etzebeth gratuitously flies into his back like the proverbial Exocet missile with the winger in a prone, vulnerable position with his back to him.
It was malevolent and gratuitous.
A dog act.
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@OomPB said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben will be back for the All Blacks.
And he'll be known as Eben the Eye Gouger.
As @booboo has said, a sad way for a great player to end a remarkable career. - and he did that all by himself.
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@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
@mariner4life also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
I'm sure Martin Luther Savea was touched by the Holy Spirit and was compelled by God to say some nice stuff about his uso
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@mohikamo said in Bokke vs Wales:
@taniwharugby said in Bokke vs Wales:
also begs the question, how did it come to Ardie to be the 'character witness'?
Did Eben text Ardie and say 'hey bru, I nd u 2 say gd stf 4 me' or did Ardie offer his power from the goodness of his heart?
Yeah, love to know the process that brought it all about.
Same as BB.
Almost seems like they are volunteering themselves (rather than being asked) to "help out."If they are volunteering themselves, that is starting to show us something of the current "AB culture."
That'd be a bit too "huggy" for my liking.FML the All Blacks are turning into the Black Caps under McCullum - sport's nice guys that never win anything
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@DaGrubster said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
Always been done Grubs. hell I have even given a character reference at a rugby judiciary hearing in Brisbane and at Levin only at club level of course. I recall Sam T (Nua ,you know him)doing exactly same for an Auckland player after Nua -Auckland shield match, well that wasn't a character one. more just bullshitted that what happened never really happened.
Like in normal court, I not sure it makes a difference, and I have supplied one there too, you not actually defending the actions, just how you find the person from your dealings with him.
It's not unusual, hell it has happened when Abs etc go up for too. Whether it actually makes a difference, I not sure.
I always used to laugh, Brad Thorn always publicly spoke up for Bakkies Botha, a lot of players did, reckoned that off field he was great joker etc, hell I even heard Phil Kearns among others say same about Richard Loe, who let's face it if we honest made Botha, Estebeth etc look angels!Yeah, i know but why would Savea do it, why fucking bother?
Savea should be distancing himself from this henious act, not give a glowing reference.
Nice guys in rugby finish last. Or get whooped by record scores and know they will still be in the team the next week.
Im angry! No wonder we fall apart on the field when put under a bit of pressure
