Bokke vs Wales
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Actually just read the written decision, and see how they came to their conclusion. Also @nostrildamus that is where it says they worked out his finger was in or around eye for 1 second.
' Doing the best we can we
calculated that the Player’s thumb was in W7’s eye for something in the region of a second, in real time.'Also pleased to read the suspension was actually longer than 12 weeks, they checked his playing schedule to make sure it 12 games.
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One second is easily long enough for it to be both intentional and do serious damage. 12 weeks is pathetic lol.
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
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@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Apparently the All Blacks' self-styled spiritual leader provided a "character testimony" for Etzebeth.
So because they share an agent and pray together, one of them can commit assault against a third person with reduced consequences. Utter, utter bollocks.
Shameful.
Seriously? Why would that even come into consideration?
First BB helps out someone who smacks him in the head and now Savea doing this.
Stop fluffing the boks. Stop being the nice guys of a gladiatoral sport.
Stop acting like pussies and get angry that everyone now thinks we are pussies
i dont have a problem with BB....because he was actually involved, first hand he can talk about the atmosphere and if he thinks its was deliberate.....no idea why savea is getting involved, he wasn't on the pitch
You obviously don't understand what a character reference is mate. It is no way to do with incident, only your dealings with the person in general.
I once got asked to give (and did) a reference to someone who had was going up and pleading guilty to a robbery. Basically saying in your dealings with the person, do you consider this normal behavior for the person (that's simplistic I know)
Have also been asked for character references (as well as normal ones) for people seeking jobs that needed them as part of clearance.yeah, might have been poorly worded, i do understand and have done it myself several times in sporting tribunals, i explain a bit more about why i found it weird further down the thread, where ive done it and seen it done is more where those making judgement dont know anything about the person in question and so youre explaining what theyre like out of the situations theyre being judged on, the majority of the time savea and he interact has to be around rugby.....if youre giving a reference around what hes like off the field then he has to have a long list of people he knows and spends time with that arent famous rugby players....this just stinks of getting a big name to sway things
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@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
You’re just being silly now. Finger near eye for ~ 1 second. No injury occurred. As for roids, well didn’t figure you for falling into stereotypes but I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.
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Look, I pretty pissed off with what Estebeth did, read my first post on it, and happy if he had got huge suspension.
But a few are getting into fluffybunny territory with Ardie (or it seems any ABs) shouldn't give character references , and BB shouldn't of said what everyone could see, that the Irish fella had no time to react etc.
What the f*** is it, if it not an AB we want everyone hung etc. The judiciary have given a bloody complete report of the whole process, who they listened to, and reasons for giving him the 12 weeks , and why he didn't get time off etc. They even suggest just maybe the ref while being correct in his RC etc, perhaps missed something by only having one view of the screen etc. The bottom line is he deserved everything he got in suspension, but to suggest he was having a few digs at his eyes etc (in 1 second?) is just rubbish.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
Ah, South Africans on the panel are there? Poor old Eben.
Actually, I don't believe so.
Well that's good if so. Intent is a very hard thing to prove or disprove in this situation I would have thought - but really my opinion is as simple as: if you make the decision to attack someone's face, well, that's where their fucking eyes are - and that makes it deliberate.
Not sure if that would make for a fair process though. Accidental contact with the eyes is different than deliberate obviously. This could be a career defining issue for him not to mention the money he will likely lose. I find it hard to believe that he went after his eyes.
Accidental? Take the green and gold eyepatch off.
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@game_film said in Bokke vs Wales:
April 18. Ospreys vs Sharks. Physical price.
Mann plays for Cardiff
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@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
Re posted for relevance
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I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dodge said in Bokke vs Wales:
if you put your thumb in someone's eye and keep pushing then you're a fluffybunny. Trying to work out what he was thinking or went through his thick roided head before during and after is about as irrelevant as what colour his underpants were.
You’re just being silly now. Finger near eye for ~ 1 second. No injury occurred. As for roids, well didn’t figure you for falling into stereotypes but I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.
i wonder whether your opinion would be different if it wasn't a South Africa player involved. I am very sure mine wouldn't be.
As for the roids dig, hell, there's so much evidence of steroid use in school boy rugby in South Africa it has always struck me as unlikely that players simply stop using them as they progress through the levels. Where there's smoke and all that. But yes, it was a dig, at a fluffybunny who'd just shoved his finger in someone's eye. I'm sure he'll survive
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@mariner4life said in Bokke vs Wales:
The All Blacks are a bunch of fucking cats.
But even above that, why the fuck does a character reference from someone who wasn't even playing come in to it.
A good character can do a henious thing.
Should be totally irrelevant to the 5 seconds of violence
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Duluth said in Bokke vs Wales:
world.rugby/organisation/governance/regulations/reg-17/appendix-1
Intentional Contact with Eye(s) (7)
Low-end:
12 weeks/matchesMid-range:
18 weeks/matchesTop-end:
24+ weeks/matchesMax:
208 weeks/matches
So where does this fit? Mid range?
I would inclined to go low end. The other player was not injured and watching the video he (Etsebeth) appears to move his thumb away after he realizes it’s in his eye.
Keep digging. Every time you try to defend innocent Eben it make you look sillier and sillier
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@MiketheSnow Of course. And Eben won’t even make the trip.
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@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
Everything you need to know about Etzebeth summed up in this video.
Gets put on his arse fairly and squarely by a small winger (Niniashvili).
Gets up and chases the play.
Same winger has made a subsequent tackle and Etzebeth gratuitously flies into his back like the proverbial Exocet missile with the winger in a prone, vulnerable position with his back to him.
It was malevolent and gratuitous.
A dog act.
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@OomPB said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben will be back for the All Blacks.
And he'll be known as Eben the Eye Gouger.
As @booboo has said, a sad way for a great player to end a remarkable career. - and he did that all by himself.
