Bokke vs Wales
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@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Crazy-Horse said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
I'm not fussed about a character reference given by an All Black.
I am fussed that the process sees a place where a character reference is appropriate to determine a ban in a sporting contest.
On one hand punters scream about how amateur world rugby is and how badly it is run, but when a fair trial is used to determine the outcome of an alleged crime, the same punters squeal that character references shouldn't be given in support of a persons character. So which is it then? Should it be the good old boy process where its all based on what the citing/banning commision feels, or a professional process where evidence, character reference and an impartial jury/judge decides the fate?
In any event, the punishment seems fair.
Yeah, character references are used all time at sentencing in the real world, don’t know why rugby should be different, especially now it's a pro game.
He's played 140 tests, and countless games at lower levels, all very public.
Is that not a bit different from a random member of the public who nobody involved in sentencing has ever heard of before?I guess if they are debating whether an act was intentional a character reference would have some benefit. I don't see it as being all that different.
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@Dan54 and that is one of the things so many love about rugby and will often point to differentiating from football...spend 80 mins trying to smack each other, then have beers together: the old 'thugs game played by gentlemen'
I think there was a period in the 2000's where it seemed that the mingling post-match wasnt happening, and was it Chieka who seemed to discourage it.
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@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
Just out of interest, who has read the judgement? It seems the Welsh manager's report says they didn't even get their Dr to check Mann's eye? It happened right on fulltime more or less and they they didn't even get the Dr to check his eye for damage?? Something not right there if he had been eye gouged surely? Just check his eye at least , just to make sure.
That is odd
And smacks of amateur WRU
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
“Richard Loe lite” lol. Even in foul pla6bJY26sp9ueFCAyVq1c5YGy, the springboks can’t match the ABs. Brilliant sentence spacing for effect BTW.
Wanted to present it simplistic enough that even morans understand.
Work for you?
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@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@booboo said in Bokke vs Wales:
I, up until a week ago, had a grudging admiration for Etsebeth.
Two time RWC winner, probably the best lock in the World for most of his career.
A genuine Great of the game.
He is no more. A thuggish scum.
A sad way to end his career as Richard Loe Lite.
Be gone from international rugby and make it a better place.
“Richard Loe lite” lol. Even in foul pla6bJY26sp9ueFCAyVq1c5YGy, the springboks can’t match the ABs. Brilliant sentence spacing for effect BTW.
Wanted to present it simplistic enough that even morans understand.
Work for you?
Has your sense of humor deserted you? A few weeks back you were insulting all things South African, and now a casual bit of banter sends you over the top.
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@Frank said in Bokke vs Wales:
This thread has certainly gone on longer than expected. I can see via the quoted replied that W32 ,(although blocked by me), appears to doing a good job in winding posters up
Don't feed the troll.I’m sure you will find a way to read what I’m writing here @frank, - the “look at me everyone, I’ve blocked this user because I’m the bigger man” is just really lame. Certainly I disagree with a lot of your views but taking my ball and going home never occurred to me.
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Not sure if this should be in a different thread at this point, but it was interesting what Nigel Owen’s had to say. Etsebeth not a dirty player, but lucky. And the process is broken
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/a-total-mess-nigel-owens-33006591?fbclid=IwRlRTSAOjz9ZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xNzM4NDc2NDI2NzAzNzAAAR6OB3Jh-aizwzONd1MJEzPkfof7Ul4iAVlBSBs66nNV4YOIvHpCr7na_Uz1uA_aem_njcdtjDWPkei6QaF7xpa3Q -
@W32 The only thing that confirms is your confirmation bias mate.
It may well have been unintentional, but the guy who did it saying so is hardly proof - the truth is we can't know whether it was an accident or he just lost the plot briefly. Either way, if you don't throw your hands in someone's face, you don't hit their eyes. -
@Frank said in Bokke vs Wales:
This thread has certainly gone on longer than expected.
Fuck yeah!
May as well have my say.
A bit of a brain fade/explosion, recklessness/carelessness/stoopidness, call it what ever you want,
By a great player, just about "done" in the big-time.
At the end of a nothing game,Quite happy to let the "process" deal with it.
The length of the "process" was of note tho.
But still, not as long as this thread!And the Welsh medical staff, apparently, didn't even investigate!
Probably the most telling factor.Only slight concern was . . . Eben's record can speak for itself . . . dont need no f'ing AB doing that for him!
And red card had zero affect on the game.
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@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 The only thing that confirms is your confirmation bias mate.
It may well have been unintentional, but the guy who did it saying so is hardly proof - the truth is we can't know whether it was an accident or he just lost the plot briefly. Either way, if you don't throw your hands in someone's face, you don't hit their eyes.Back at ya! Also: irony.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@reprobate said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 The only thing that confirms is your confirmation bias mate.
It may well have been unintentional, but the guy who did it saying so is hardly proof - the truth is we can't know whether it was an accident or he just lost the plot briefly. Either way, if you don't throw your hands in someone's face, you don't hit their eyes.Back at ya! Also: irony.
Well, not really mate. You're converted and I'm agnostic.
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Should have finished after the first three paragraphs
