West Indies tour of NZ
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@Donsteppa said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Buffet bowling so far.
yep, we feasted and learnt nothing from that first day
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is it the absolute road that the box score suggests?
2 days, 8 wickets, and almost 700 runs
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Coney and Smith have both been scathing of the NZ bowling on the radio. I've been listening rather than watching the Windies innings.
Looked like there was something there for the Windies bowlers today, so I thought those who thought our bowlers might knock them over cheaply could be right.
To be fair, we're missing about half a dozen of our best bowlers, so we might be expecting a bit much.
Henry, Jamieson, O'Rourke, Satnav, Sears, Tickner - I think all would make this team - probably Fisher, as well.
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@mariner4life said in West Indies tour of NZ:
is it the absolute road that the box score suggests?
2 days, 8 wickets, and almost 700 runs
If you bowl in the right areas you can get results, in fact Windies bowled quite well today, but soo much average bowling deservedly getting walloped
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Watching at the ground, I presumed they were bowling to a plan for these 2 batsmen but it seemed to involve pitching it up and they were all being dealt to. I wondered if they think King has a weakness falling over and being LBW .... if that wasn't the case then it was just bad bowling
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@mariner4life said in West Indies tour of NZ:
is it the absolute road that the box score suggests?
2 days, 8 wickets, and almost 700 runs
It actually isn't, there has been swing and seam and plenty going past the edge. Just poor bowling from both sides, not consistent enough.
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The decision to re select Blundell over Hay as I have said before is a poor one.
Compare the reckless shot Blundell played in his score of 4 to the 61 Hay scored when NZ was in trouble in the previous tests, shows who will contribute more.
Blundell dropped a catchable one down the leg side, and anyone who says it was hard sure, but if you get a decent glove on it you should catch it at test level, he just moved too late at 35 that is going to happen.
Hay is the best WK in NZ as he anticipates very well and gets in to catching positions very easily compared to other keepers, and stays down longer which gets him in to good positions to take the ball and keeps his head and eyes more in line with the ball.
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@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
The decision to re select Blundell over Hay as I have said before is a poor one.
Compare the reckless shot Blundell played in his score of 4 to the 61 Hay scored when NZ was in trouble in the previous tests, shows who will contribute more.
Blundell dropped a catchable one down the leg side, and anyone who says it was hard sure, but if you get a decent glove on it you should catch it at test level, he just moved too late at 35 that is going to happen.
Hay is the best WK in NZ as he anticipates very well and gets in to catching positions very easily compared to other keepers, and stays down longer which gets him in to good positions to take the ball and keeps his head and eyes more in line with the ball.
It is always easier to catch a ball staying low and coming up than coming up too soon and having to re adjust.Blundell has been an admirable trooper for NZ and a handy successor to Watling but the fact he walked straight back in after Hay made every single post a winner ( some excellent keeping from what I saw to go with a very handy score ) is a bit troubling for me. His batting continues to be far more misses than hits too.
The coaching staff are very loyal though, they can point to Conways efforts in this series as justification for this I suppose but Hay looks a seriously good long term talent who should get his chance now especially in an ageing team ( Ravindra the only other top six batsman under 30 )
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@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
The decision to re select Blundell over Hay as I have said before is a poor one.
Compare the reckless shot Blundell played in his score of 4 to the 61 Hay scored when NZ was in trouble in the previous tests, shows who will contribute more.
Blundell dropped a catchable one down the leg side, and anyone who says it was hard sure, but if you get a decent glove on it you should catch it at test level, he just moved too late at 35 that is going to happen.
Hay is the best WK in NZ as he anticipates very well and gets in to catching positions very easily compared to other keepers, and stays down longer which gets him in to good positions to take the ball and keeps his head and eyes more in line with the ball.
It is always easier to catch a ball staying low and coming up than coming up too soon and having to re adjust.Blundell has been an admirable trooper for NZ and a handy successor to Watling but the fact he walked straight back in after Hay made every single post a winner ( some excellent keeping from what I saw to go with a very handy score ) is a bit troubling for me. His batting continues to be far more misses than hits too.
The coaching staff are very loyal though, they can point to Conways efforts in this series as justification for this I suppose but Hay looks a seriously good long term talent who should get his chance now especially in an ageing team ( Ravindra the only other top six batsman under 30 )
I think something we realised after the bad old days of the 1990s, when selection was a merry-go-round of pick, discard and re-pick is that you don't want guys to feel like they're playing for their place every time they go out to bat. And avoiding that perception means you've got to back people through their slumps - not just for them - but, to give everyone else confidence too.
The balancing act is recognizing when a change has got to happen. In part, that might need help from the player themselves recognizing their time is up, before the selectors have to. Conversations - which is probably a more mature way of running a team compared to having selectorial "gods".
We didn't quite get that right with Tim Southee. I think they should have given Hay this test as well as part of what looks to me to be a necessary transition. Blundell has been deteriorating for a while now - in his last 20 tests he's averaged 18, with one century and one fifty. Hay's matched the latter in his first test innings.
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Really need to go bang, bang about now.
Pretty much regardless of pitch condition, I tend to look at a first innings score of 220/4 as being par - we were behind the game at stumps last night, but a couple of wickets (or three) in the next half hour would have us back on course.
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@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
The decision to re select Blundell over Hay as I have said before is a poor one.
Compare the reckless shot Blundell played in his score of 4 to the 61 Hay scored when NZ was in trouble in the previous tests, shows who will contribute more.
Blundell dropped a catchable one down the leg side, and anyone who says it was hard sure, but if you get a decent glove on it you should catch it at test level, he just moved too late at 35 that is going to happen.
Hay is the best WK in NZ as he anticipates very well and gets in to catching positions very easily compared to other keepers, and stays down longer which gets him in to good positions to take the ball and keeps his head and eyes more in line with the ball.
It is always easier to catch a ball staying low and coming up than coming up too soon and having to re adjust.Blundell has been an admirable trooper for NZ and a handy successor to Watling but the fact he walked straight back in after Hay made every single post a winner ( some excellent keeping from what I saw to go with a very handy score ) is a bit troubling for me. His batting continues to be far more misses than hits too.
The coaching staff are very loyal though, they can point to Conways efforts in this series as justification for this I suppose but Hay looks a seriously good long term talent who should get his chance now especially in an ageing team ( Ravindra the only other top six batsman under 30 )
Yes totally agree
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@Chris said in West Indies tour of NZ:
The decision to re select Blundell over Hay as I have said before is a poor one.
Compare the reckless shot Blundell played in his score of 4 to the 61 Hay scored when NZ was in trouble in the previous tests, shows who will contribute more.
Blundell dropped a catchable one down the leg side, and anyone who says it was hard sure, but if you get a decent glove on it you should catch it at test level, he just moved too late at 35 that is going to happen.
Hay is the best WK in NZ as he anticipates very well and gets in to catching positions very easily compared to other keepers, and stays down longer which gets him in to good positions to take the ball and keeps his head and eyes more in line with the ball.
It is always easier to catch a ball staying low and coming up than coming up too soon and having to re adjust.I don't think anyone would have complained if Hay had backed up. It was a poor decision on every level, no one owns the jersey/cap
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@Chris-B said in West Indies tour of NZ:
According to me:
Duffy has a test bowling average of 12.3 and Foulkes is averaging 8.9.
Matt Henry needs to pull finger!
Posted this a couple of weeks back.
Message back from Matt Henry:
"I don't have to do a goddamned thing - 'çept sit on my ass and wait!"
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Starting to look a bit draw-like to me.
We really need a good last session today where we roll them for, say, 400.
Which would leave six sessions and us leading by 175. Invest two sessions scoring 225 and boldly leave them four sessions to make 400?
That's gettable on a flat track if they start well.
