West Indies tour of NZ
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@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Another record, that’s the highest total runs NZ have scored in a test match 881
Previous record was 874 back in 1990Shame there's fuck all people there watching.....Wellington put them to shame during the test at the Basin ( and I was set to go before the Windies wilted in three days )
Good opportunity to get a couple of cheeky wickets. Rigor commentating and reckons NZ have batted too long though. We'll see.
Quite a lot riding on Duffy coming out firing.
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@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Godder said in West Indies tour of NZ:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/hundred-in-each-innings-of-a-match-282951
Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.
Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).
As much as a fluff bunny Warmer is. It’s an incredible stat that he scored twin 100s in a test on 3 occasions
Warner was one of the great openers of the modern era. Very dangerous and effective player with a terrific record.
Definitely not a popular fellow though. I never found him that bad though.
He was no Brad Haddin.
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@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
First time BOTH openers have scored centuries in BOTH innings in ANY first class match.
In the history of all Cricket I can't believe it hasn't happened before.
That's incredible, because there must have been tens of thousands of first class matches.
Edit: AI saying hundrds of thousands and potentially millions.
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@Crazy-Horse said in West Indies tour of NZ:
With our bowlers I am not sure we have enough runs. The attack has the bad old days written all over it.
I don't think there's any real demons in this pitch. Pretty much everyone who has got out has got themselves out.
Pleased we've got a big buffer going into day 5. If the Windies bat competently, they'll force a draw about four-down, I reckon.
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@Chris-B said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Crazy-Horse said in West Indies tour of NZ:
With our bowlers I am not sure we have enough runs. The attack has the bad old days written all over it.
I don't think there's any real demons in this pitch. Pretty much everyone who has got out has got themselves out.
Pleased we've got a big buffer going into day 5. If the Windies bat competently, they'll force a draw about four-down, I reckon.
Yeah I can see why they batted on win the series first secure the game so you can’t lose.
Then see if the pitch can give you some favours on day 5 which I can’t see happening it is a dead pitch even when it shoots low it doesn’t threaten the stumps, a draw is where I see it heading. -
@MN5 said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Godder said in West Indies tour of NZ:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/hundred-in-each-innings-of-a-match-282951
Only the fifth time two players have scored centuries in each innings of a test, first time for NZ.
Of note also is it has only been done by opposing batters once (Warner and Kohli).
As much as a fluff bunny Warmer is. It’s an incredible stat that he scored twin 100s in a test on 3 occasions
Warner was one of the great openers of the modern era. Very dangerous and effective player with a terrific record.
Definitely not a popular fellow though. I never found him that bad though.
He was no Brad Haddin.
A prick off the field I can tell you that for real.
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In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.
It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.
One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.
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@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.
It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.
One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.
I touched on NZ not really having a proud history of openers ( which makes todays record all the more impressive ) and the stats prove that.....but I think I'd have to pick John Wright in my all time test team to open with Glenn Turner. He was the man in the 80s when batting was at its absolute toughest. Facing SO many all time great fast bowlers, no Bangladesh or Zimbabwe to pad the stats against, an average just under 38 might look a bit ordinary on paper but he set a platform brilliantly. He was a rock at the top of that order.
I'll wait til Latham and Conway finish up before deciding where they sit in the pecking order.
Bert Sutcliffe had a fine record but never won a test.
Mark Richardson is very underrated.
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@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.
It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.
One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.
I think the bulk of us grew up to Edgar and wright being the opening pair we knew. I was surprised looking at the records just how good Wright and Franklin were given Franklin’s pretty poor record
It’s a pretty amazing feat from Latham and Conway.
That they are the very first opening pair to both score twin 100s in the same first class match is fucken extraordinary really.
You think of history’s greatest opening pairs, some absolute legends of the game and they never achieved something our own often maligned pair did. -
@Virgil said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@Cyclops said in West Indies tour of NZ:
In amongst the hail of records, Latham and Conway also equalled the record for century opening stands, with their 5th. Equalling Wright/Franklin. 11 more to match the all time record holders, Greenidge/Haynes. What a pair they were.
It's funny, when you look at the individual records Wright/Edgar look like the better pair, but when you compare the partnership stats, Wright/Franklin performed much better.
One last thing to note: before this test the record opening partnership in NZ was 276, shared between Dempster/Mills in a draw vs England in the 30s and Sherwin Campbell and someone else I forget for the West Indies in 98. The funny thing about that second one was that the West Indies went on to lose that match! Hope that's not a bad omen for tomorrow.
I think the bulk of us grew up to Edgar and wright being the opening pair we knew. I was surprised looking at the records just how good Wright and Franklin were given Franklin’s pretty poor record
It’s a pretty amazing feat from Latham and Conway.
That they are the very first opening pair to both score twin 100s in the same first class match is fucken extraordinary really.
You think of history’s greatest opening pairs, some absolute legends of the game and they never achieved something our own often maligned pair did.Franklin averaged 23 and his strike rate was only marginally higher.
That at least indicates he did the old fashioned job of taking the shine off the new ball. I always admired his concentration !
When Crowe got his 299 I remember spending some time prior to that on the bank at the Basin ( last week of the school holidays if I remember rightly ) watching Franklin get 39 off 176 balls. Fucken hell it was hard going, he probably found it tough too. Not many horizontal bat shots in that innings it must be said ( as his Cricinfo blurb mentions )
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@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Rigor was another opener who specialised in blunting the opposition attack rather than getting big scores of his own
Concentration and sticking to his limitations were his strengths......until he'd close in on 3 figures and lose concentration late in days.
8-10 centuries would probably have done him more justice than the 4 he got.
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@African-Monkey said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Rigor was another opener who specialised in blunting the opposition attack rather than getting big scores of his own
Concentration and sticking to his limitations were his strengths......until he'd close in on 3 figures and lose concentration late in
8-10 centuries would probably have done him more justice than the 4 he got.
He had three shots he played well and if they weren’t in the spot to play them he left them, frustrating the bowlers. Loved his work, would have loved a couple of more conversions but he was the glue in his era
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@bayimports said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@African-Monkey said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Rigor was another opener who specialised in blunting the opposition attack rather than getting big scores of his own
Concentration and sticking to his limitations were his strengths......until he'd close in on 3 figures and lose concentration late in
8-10 centuries would probably have done him more justice than the 4 he got.
He had three shots he played well and if they weren’t in the spot to play them he left them, frustrating the bowlers. Loved his work, would have loved a couple of more conversions but he was the glue in his era
Rigors figures were absolute class if not particularly memorable.
Had a Fleming like conversion rate but when you consider how tough it is to have a really high average as an opener he did the job and then some.
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@bayimports said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@African-Monkey said in West Indies tour of NZ:
@canefan said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Rigor was another opener who specialised in blunting the opposition attack rather than getting big scores of his own
Concentration and sticking to his limitations were his strengths......until he'd close in on 3 figures and lose concentration late in
8-10 centuries would probably have done him more justice than the 4 he got.
He had three shots he played well and if they weren’t in the spot to play them he left them, frustrating the bowlers. Loved his work, would have loved a couple of more conversions but he was the glue in his era
He got robbed of 2 tons at Lords when he got a huge inside edge off Harmison in 04, robbed of one in Zimbabwe in his 2nd test when he got given out lbw to Nkala which wasnt out, so he was robbed a few times, but threw a few away too, like the tour in the WI in 02 when he tried to hit one out of the ground on 95, Pakistan in Wellington in 03 come to mind, but at the same time, he got every ounce of ability out of himself and had a very good test career even if it was a but short.
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@Chris-B said in West Indies tour of NZ:
Split Wright's career in half.
In his first 41 tests he averaged 30.9
In his second 41 tests he averaged 44.5.
The antithesis of Ian Botham.
Wright's batting as captain is phenomenal - averaged 48.63. In matches involving Trevor Franklin, Wright averaged 57.03.
