FFS get a grip
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman Occam’s Razor doesn’t mean scraping at the bottom of the barrel and picking the explanations you like best.
That is entirely correct.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@canefan said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
The point is that second half is where the issue lies. Simply not good enough.
I get what you are saying, but I would argue the problems are far deeper than that
If we converted our leads the way Kiwi teams typically do, we wouldn't be having this debate.
I think Ferners underestimate the impact of fatigue.
Take for example Boks 2, when we went out with largely the same winning team, in 'tried and tested' manner.
But Scooter was very tired from Boks 1. He shouldn't have played more than 40, but was flogged for the full 80. Boks even rested Etzebeth, and with fresh legs starting to come on even before halftime ran away with things in last 20.
Leaving aside the Kolbe 'try' (which resulted from a 'dominant' scrum where Wessels was on his knees and unpenalised through under Gardner's nose), our determination to leave most of the starters on to the preordained 60 minute mark is a large element of why we lost all cohesion in last quarter.
Newell is one who has played too many minutes He should have come off on Saturday once we went down to 14.
For me, we need some fresh thinking and, to take a leaf out of Rassie's book, look to get the bulk of the bench on between 40 and 50 minute mark.
One thing is definitely true. I have never seen a coach so Inept at using his squad and his depth as Razor. He has not even the first idea of how and when to substitute, when players should be rotated out of the 23.
He is like a dinosaur coach from 30+ years ago who picks his his main starters game in and game out and then only subs due to injury.
There is no way his selections are data informed or supported by medical information. He played Roigard until his body broke down, he picked Barrett even when he was not fit. That's just dumb on every level.
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Double upvote @nonpartizan The buck on that stops with Razor.
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@canefan said in FFS get a grip:
Razor loves to talk about building depth. In a number of key positions he's built nothing
He loves to talk nonsense in general. Everything he says is just whatever pops into his head at the time. There’s nothing meaningful behind any of his dribbling.
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Some immediate comments on that vid:
- I am not sure we are the most efficient counter-attacking side anymore.
- Even if we were, most counter-attacks these days come from the ball being in the air; so, the main "strike play" for counter attack in the modern game is in an area of weakness for us meaning that we are now much more on the receiving end of counter-attacking tries.
- The post-contact metres point has been made for years on here. Nice to see him, in a round about way, call out those in the team most obsessed with getting PCMs. But, it does beg the question why the coaching team haven't identified that PCMs might actually be helping the defence and hindering our attack.
- I can't believe that Parkes said the defence has been very good this year.
- I do not listen to these guys every week or even that often but when I do it is usually after a loss; one of the constant refrains from them is "it's only [e.g. a missed tackle]... that's a simple fix". But the problem is none of these so-called simple fixes ever get fixed.
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Parson’s has 100% drank the cool aide.
I expected it of Hall and Ross isn’t the right personality here, he just gives up rather than really challenging these guys.
When Gypper started off talking about how it was the first time we leaked a lot of points I nearly threw my phone at the floor - so busy to make excuses that he forgot a record loss to the Boks.
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@gt12 said in FFS get a grip:
Parson’s has 100% drank the cool aide.
I expected it of Hall and Ross isn’t the right personality here, he just gives up rather than really challenging these guys.
When Gypper started off talking about how it was the first time we leaked a lot of points I nearly threw my phone at the floor - so busy to make excuses that he forgot a record loss to the Boks.
Parsons did not distinguish himself at all, was as bad or worse than the sycophant Hall, the worst bit was when he tried to use stats to back up his view that we didn't suck balls
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
I was deeply unhappy when I viewed 30 to 50 of England tape.
BUT I just want ABs to continue the legacy.
ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.
The clear inference is that the starting selection is the best in World Rugby.
I know that doesn't fit the current narrative, but those are facts, and we led the Boks at HT in both games.
AND in general our last quarter is fine.
NO NEED TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH BATHWATER!
We have quite a few key players out: Lomax/Vaa'i/Paddy T/Jordie/Narewa.
The decision not to hook Beauden at 30 cost us the England match. We should have been out of sight at HT.
And yes, we dropped our bundle when Codie was shown the absurd yellow card.
BUT this team isn't that far from where we need to be.
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
The coaching staff needs to eat some humble pie and apologise to the squad.
Including recognising that fresh legs sometimes are more important than playing the best players into the ground.
So subbing the releavant starters at 45/50 is now the smart play!
So get back on the horse and focus on giving the Welsh one hell of a beating.
END OF RANT.
The coaching staff needs to eat some humble pie and apologise to the squad.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
I was deeply unhappy when I viewed 30 to 50 of England tape.
BUT I just want ABs to continue the legacy.
ABs were ahead at HT in 10 of 12 tests this year.
The clear inference is that the starting selection is the best in World Rugby.
I know that doesn't fit the current narrative, but those are facts, and we led the Boks at HT in both games.
AND in general our last quarter is fine.
NO NEED TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH BATHWATER!
We have quite a few key players out: Lomax/Vaa'i/Paddy T/Jordie/Narewa.
The decision not to hook Beauden at 30 cost us the England match. We should have been out of sight at HT.
And yes, we dropped our bundle when Codie was shown the absurd yellow card.
BUT this team isn't that far from where we need to be.
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
The coaching staff needs to eat some humble pie and apologise to the squad.
Including recognising that fresh legs sometimes are more important than playing the best players into the ground.
So subbing the releavant starters at 45/50 is now the smart play!
So get back on the horse and focus on giving the Welsh one hell of a beating.
END OF RANT.
The coaching staff needs to eat some humble pie and apologise to the squad.
Certainly the decision to leave Beauden Barrett on the paddock to start the second half AND play 15 minutes was insane.
I don't think I have ever seen a coach leave an obviously injured player on the pitch for that long, not just in rugby but any match or sport I have ever been watching.
Id really love to one day find out the truth about why he played and trusted Barrett to the degree that he did in 2025 because it never made any sense from an outsider perspective.
