Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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Thats an interesting starting forward pack , collectively mobile and aggressive in contact
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Sounds like unusually warm weather for Saturday, I wonder if that influenced team with strong running wings and center. Also would seem like Ben Smith will rest against Italy and Dagg starts at full-back.
@DMX said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Sounds like unusually warm weather for Saturday,
We all bought All Blacks onesies as we went to the USA game and it was fucken freezing. Expected to be just below 20 on saturday, so we'll be sweating balls I'd say.
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Im going to say Ireland will push us very hard in this- I would not be shocked to see an upset
Any specific reasons...or just vague musings?
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Look I realise as usual the chances of the Irish having a full 80 against us is medium - but they showed in 2013 that that has improved.
Just think we have had the high of taking the record had a few injuries (best locking pair in the world out) a centre pairing that are solid but not creative...
I think the bench will have to save us from a tough time. -
Rettalick and Whitelock are a massive loss but I think we will get real physicality from their replacements, physicality from Cane and powerful running from wings and center. I don't expect this to be banana skin game , would be more cautious about last game of the tour. With weather we can really turn screws in last half an hour.
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Only real surprise is Moala, and IMO a pleasing one. I like his game either at centre or wing. He has some areas to develop when it comes to passing but I like his footwork and he has excellent reactions.
A very good 23. It will be interesting to see how they use the bench.
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Look I realise as usual the chances of the Irish having a full 80 against us is medium - but they showed in 2013 that that has improved.
Just think we have had the high of taking the record had a few injuries (best locking pair in the world out) a centre pairing that are solid but not creative...
I think the bench will have to save us from a tough time.@kidcalder said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Look I realise as usual the chances of the Irish having a full 80 against us is medium - but they showed in 2013 that that has improved.
Just think we have had the high of taking the record had a few injuries (best locking pair in the world out) a centre pairing that are solid but not creative...
I think the bench will have to save us from a tough time.By the same token the ABs have improved from 2013. Until we surpass Cyprus there is no record....
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I'm with you ACT-C, stoked to see Moala get a run. I wonder how a Moala at 12 and Anton L-B at 13 midfield would go :thinking: .
I quite like Moala at 2nd five but agree that his passing game is still developing. Crotty hasn't put a foot wrong and just keeps improving. A lot of options for our midfield, but I imagine they'd want to start developing a couple of combos looking ahead to the lions in 2017.
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Same old first up, newbies on the bench for Ireland.
Kearney, Trimble, Payne Henshaw Zebo Sexton Murray
McGrath Best Furlong, Toner, Ryan Murphy Stander HeaslipBench - Cronin, Healy, Bealham, Dillane, vdF, Marmion, Carbery Ringrose
No back up prop. Pace and youth on the bench - just trying to work out the caps and average age
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I'm with you ACT-C, stoked to see Moala get a run. I wonder how a Moala at 12 and Anton L-B at 13 midfield would go :thinking: .
I quite like Moala at 2nd five but agree that his passing game is still developing. Crotty hasn't put a foot wrong and just keeps improving. A lot of options for our midfield, but I imagine they'd want to start developing a couple of combos looking ahead to the lions in 2017.
@Paekakboyz I think they see Moala as a 13/wing that could cover 12 if required. If Crotty were to go down with injury in this one it's more likely they'd use Fekitoa at 12 and keep Moala at 13 given Fekitoa has started at 12 for the ABs.
But when you think about the four midfielders in the squad, they are all versatile. Then there's Ioane who is more a winger that could develop into a centre.
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very interesting line-up.
Obviously the biggest 'issue' is at lock, but Tuipulotu is a very good player, we know Kaino can play a bit, so disruption will be minimal, it will likely be us disrupting their lineout ball that will suffer the most.
That is a strong running backline, is this the first time Savea & Naholo have played together?
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very interesting line-up.
Obviously the biggest 'issue' is at lock, but Tuipulotu is a very good player, we know Kaino can play a bit, so disruption will be minimal, it will likely be us disrupting their lineout ball that will suffer the most.
That is a strong running backline, is this the first time Savea & Naholo have played together?
@taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
very interesting line-up.
Obviously the biggest 'issue' is at lock, but Tuipulotu is a very good player, we know Kaino can play a bit, so disruption will be minimal, it will likely be us disrupting their lineout ball that will suffer the most.
That is a strong running backline, is this the first time Savea & Naholo have played together?
This will be their third test start together I think. There was a RWC pool game and they got a start vs Wales earlier this year.
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very interesting line-up.
Obviously the biggest 'issue' is at lock, but Tuipulotu is a very good player, we know Kaino can play a bit, so disruption will be minimal, it will likely be us disrupting their lineout ball that will suffer the most.
That is a strong running backline, is this the first time Savea & Naholo have played together?
@taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
very interesting line-up.
Obviously the biggest 'issue' is at lock, but Tuipulotu is a very good player, we know Kaino can play a bit, so disruption will be minimal, it will likely be us disrupting their lineout ball that will suffer the most.
That is a strong running backline, is this the first time Savea & Naholo have played together?
At the risk of getting all @Canes4life on us......should we be worried that Ireland have a guy who is about 20 feet tall in their lineup ? our locks look pretty sawn off in comparison.
Gonna be a tough day for the Irish outside backs with Moala, Savea and Naholo running hard and straight.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
very interesting line-up.
Obviously the biggest 'issue' is at lock, but Tuipulotu is a very good player, we know Kaino can play a bit, so disruption will be minimal, it will likely be us disrupting their lineout ball that will suffer the most.
That is a strong running backline, is this the first time Savea & Naholo have played together?
This will be their third test start together I think. There was a RWC pool game and they got a start vs Wales earlier this year.
@ACT-Crusader I thought they probably had done in the RWC but couldn't recall any others.
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All Blacks team to play Ireland in Chicago on Sunday morning (test caps in brackets):
- Joe Moody (20)
- Dane Coles (46)
- Owen Franks (87)
- Patrick Tuipulotu (10)
- Jerome Kaino (75)
- Liam Squire (6)
- Sam Cane (37)
- Kieran Read (c) (94)
- Aaron Smith (54)
- Beauden Barrett (46)
- Julian Savea (49)
- Ryan Crotty (24)
- George Moala (3)
- Waisake Naholo (8)
- Ben Smith (58)
Reserves:
16. Codie Taylor (11)
17. Ofa Tu'ungafasi (2)
18. Charlie Faumuina (42)
19. Scott Barrett (0)
20. Ardie Savea (9)
21. TJ Perenara (26)
22. Aaron Cruden (43)
23. Malakai Fekitoa (20)@Daffy-Jaffy That's an interesting selection. Isn't Soldier Field narrow compared to normal rugby pitches? So the coaches would expect a more direct game - there's a lot of very physical individuals in that lineup.
