NZ Cricket best XI's
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@Virgil said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
@Godder said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
Sir Paddles made his debut 53 years ago today. Not the most auspicious start, but obviously went on to greatness.
Think I read somewhere ages ago that if paddles was English he would have been dropped well before his career kicked off.
Early Beefy and Bob Willis were the only guys of his era who came remotely close to Paddles. None has come close since.
England can go and fuck themselves.
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@mohikamo said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
Early Beefy
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Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
and chuck in Clive Rice
all-time great all-rounders
class company for paddlesI meant English players, more specifically bowlers. Paddles was very much a tear away bowler who could bat a bit when he debuted although worth noting he did get 46 on debut.
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More on Paddles.......
from his debut until the end of 1979 he was a good cricketer. Worthy of his spot in the team if not the Iegend he would become.
I don't think England would be in a luxurious position to drop him with those stats. Worth pointing out he'd certainly struggle to get a game for the Windies in that period though, Australia too.
In 26 tests he took 107 wickets at 30.14 and 844 runs at 20.09.
Fair to say he took off from 1980 onwards. His long county cricket stint, shortened run up and being more disciplined with his batting all paid dividends.
In 60 tests he took 324 wickets at an amazing 19.7 and for good measure got 2280 runs at 31.23. Mind blowing stats ( Imran Khan did similar for Pakistan while Beefy declined from the early 80s )
No wonder NZ were so hard to beat during that period and God bless the the gutsy battlers who supported the great man along the way.
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
More on Paddles.......
from his debut until the end of 1979 he was a good cricketer. Worthy of his spot in the team if not the Iegend he would become.
I don't think England would be in a luxurious position to drop him with those stats. Worth pointing out he'd certainly struggle to get a game for the Windies in that period though, Australia too.
In 26 tests he took 107 wickets at 30.14 and 844 runs at 20.09.
Fair to say he took off from 1980 onwards. His long county cricket stint, shortened run up and being more disciplined with his batting all paid dividends.
In 60 tests he took 324 wickets at an amazing 19.7 and for good measure got 2280 runs at 31.23. Mind blowing stats ( Imran Khan did similar for Pakistan while Beefy declined from the early 80s )
No wonder NZ were so hard to beat during that period and God bless the the gutsy battlers who supported the great man along the way.
It wasnt just because of Paddles, Martin Crowe was a big reason for our success in the mid 80's as well
Playing around with cricinfobetween 1984 - 1987 which was likely their peak periods (Hadlee pretty much maintained it til he retired in 1990)
Hadlee played 29 tests, took 173 wickets @ 18.28
Crowe played 32 tests, scored 2375 runs @ 50.53Beefy peaked at about 20 tests, he was averaging around 50 with the bat and 20 with the ball.
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@Virgil said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
More on Paddles.......
from his debut until the end of 1979 he was a good cricketer. Worthy of his spot in the team if not the Iegend he would become.
I don't think England would be in a luxurious position to drop him with those stats. Worth pointing out he'd certainly struggle to get a game for the Windies in that period though, Australia too.
In 26 tests he took 107 wickets at 30.14 and 844 runs at 20.09.
Fair to say he took off from 1980 onwards. His long county cricket stint, shortened run up and being more disciplined with his batting all paid dividends.
In 60 tests he took 324 wickets at an amazing 19.7 and for good measure got 2280 runs at 31.23. Mind blowing stats ( Imran Khan did similar for Pakistan while Beefy declined from the early 80s )
No wonder NZ were so hard to beat during that period and God bless the the gutsy battlers who supported the great man along the way.
It wasnt just because of Paddles, Martin Crowe was a big reason for our success in the mid 80's as well
Playing around with cricinfobetween 1984 - 1987 which was likely their peak periods (Hadlee pretty much maintained it til he retired in 1990)
Hadlee played 29 tests, took 173 wickets @ 18.28
Crowe played 32 tests, scored 2375 runs @ 50.53Beefy peaked at about 20 tests, he was averaging around 50 with the bat and 20 with the ball.
was all downhill after thatHa, how did I know you'd mention Crowe
I love me some Marty, very much stands alone as our third best ever cricketer ever. Some distance ahead of those jockeying for 4th.
Crowe suffered ( relatively speaking ) from a poor start and injury woes later on but during that period he was outstanding. the 80s was a tough period to bat and it's worth noting how few guys averaged 50.
In terms of batting John Wright did a sterling job too as did the vastly underrated Andrew Jones.
Going from one of the many cricket books I've inherited I'm fairly sure Beefy was averaging 38 and 23 respectively after 50 odd tests so still an absolute titan. Struggled against the Windies, was made captain when he didn't want it and had numerous off field issues after that which started the decline.
I find it a bit laughable that people try and compare Flintoff and Stokes to him. Batting yeah fair enough but Beefy was a MUCH better bowler than either of them.
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Notable that of the 4 great international all-rounders in the 80s, 3 of them also held the world record for test wickets at some stage in their careers. The other one was debatably the best all-rounder of the 4 over their whole careers. With the distance of time since then, it's easy to write them off as good for their era only, but they were and are all greats of the game.
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@Godder said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
Notable that of the 4 great international all-rounders in the 80s, 3 of them also held the world record for test wickets at some stage in their careers. The other one was debatably the best all-rounder of the 4 over their whole careers. With the distance of time since then, it's easy to write them off as good for their era only, but they were and are all greats of the game.
Kapil Dev took 131 tests to do what Hadlee did in 86. Indian fans would have you believe it was cos he had to bowl so often on subcontinent wickets but he actually averaged better at home than away. You can't fault his longevity though. Still a very good player but the other three were better.
Peak Beefy was sensational.
Imran ranks alongside Sobers in my opinion in an all round sense. Amazing player.
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Hadlee definitely did have a slow start to his international career.
But his mental game seemed to be suited to that level of cricket, or so it seemed.
Very surprised to hear about the doubts he confessed to after it was all over, because they sure didn't show out during.
And . . . dont forget . . . he never played against any dud teams . . . like all the others mentioned! -
And today is 36 years since the great man picked up his 400th test wicket at his home ground of Lancaster Park.
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@Godder said in NZ Cricket best XI's:
And today is 36 years since the great man picked up his 400th test wicket at his home ground of Lancaster Park.
Not a bad Indian team. Kapil Dev there, Mohammad Azharuddin was an excellent player, Sidhu a big hitter and a young Sachin Tendulkar ( and I mean young, just shy of seventeen years old ! )
Huge innings from John Wright with some useful support. Paddles with just the seven wickets for the match but what an achievement to be the first to 400. I loved that they sent out Morrison ( fresh from a five fer ) and Snedden ( who also bowled well ) to get the two runs needed for victory. First time in history two night watchmen have gone out to open ?
