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Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel

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  • SammyCS SammyC

    Irish forwards all over us, arrogant to think we could get away with Kaino at lock.

    Read needs to get involved more, lead from the front

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    @SammyC
    They all need to get involved more - start playing some fucken rugby would be a start

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    • SammyCS SammyC

      Irish forwards all over us, arrogant to think we could get away with Kaino at lock.

      Read needs to get involved more, lead from the front

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      @SammyC said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

      Irish forwards all over us, arrogant to think we could get away with Kaino at lock.

      Read needs to get involved more, lead from the front

      We've been arrogant enough to play without a goal kicker all year, so Kaino seemed like a logical extension.

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      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

        @Donsteppa why not...only fair the Irish get to win a game against us too

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        @taniwharugby said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

        @Donsteppa why not...only fair the Irish get to win a game against us too

        There's a difference between fairness and sacrilege.

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        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

          I guarantee we will win.

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          @ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

          I guarantee we will win.

          Not sure we've got the cavalry on the bench this time.

          We're getting outplayed pretty badly and I'm not sure we've got many who can come on and turn that around.

          I noted Marshy's comment in the build-up about how you don't need to be tall in the lineout these days and I thought, "Really? I wonder why it is that Retallick and Whitelock are both a lot more than 2 metres tall."

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            Wow. Ireland are bringing all the pain from 2013, and bringing it from on deep. Not sure we have the brains, talent, or bench to come back from here.

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            • Chris B.C Chris B.

              @ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

              I guarantee we will win.

              Not sure we've got the cavalry on the bench this time.

              We're getting outplayed pretty badly and I'm not sure we've got many who can come on and turn that around.

              I noted Marshy's comment in the build-up about how you don't need to be tall in the lineout these days and I thought, "Really? I wonder why it is that Retallick and Whitelock are both a lot more than 2 metres tall."

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              So Eddie Jones was right - we do have weaknesses.

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              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                @ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

                I guarantee we will win.

                Not sure we've got the cavalry on the bench this time.

                We're getting outplayed pretty badly and I'm not sure we've got many who can come on and turn that around.

                I noted Marshy's comment in the build-up about how you don't need to be tall in the lineout these days and I thought, "Really? I wonder why it is that Retallick and Whitelock are both a lot more than 2 metres tall."

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                @Chris-B. said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

                @ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

                I guarantee we will win.

                Not sure we've got the cavalry on the bench this time.

                We're getting outplayed pretty badly and I'm not sure we've got many who can come on and turn that around.

                I noted Marshy's comment in the build-up about how you don't need to be tall in the lineout these days and I thought, "Really? I wonder why it is that Retallick and Whitelock are both a lot more than 2 metres tall."

                Ryan Crotty to the resc... oh.

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                  Schmidt totally outcoaching Hansen. They are dominating the lineout, using the maul, using the choke tackle (not exactly novel tactics), kicking well - into touch. Picking a 6 at lock has turned out to be a shocker from Steve.

                  We can turn around 17 points but we need to sharpen up rapidly.

                  Sickening.

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                    Ireland look great but we're helping them big time at the moment. No comment on some of the refs early decisions in the game. Our backrow is a complete joke at the moment, lineouts a mess. I made a comment that we could struggle against a team that did the basics right, and I'm afraid with this lock pairing we are.

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                      We need to attack them around the ruck more. I can't remember the last time an All black team actually did that, certainly they haven't this year. We need to score first otherwise the game is gone.

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                        A few strategic subs would help. The Irish Defensive line can fan out because we aren't trying to punch through the ruck/tackle area with pick 'n gos. Big Charlie would help and so would A Savea with his leg drive/not falling over thing.

                        Fair play to Ireland though - they are bringing it. Be interesting to see if they go into their shells a bit and try to sit on the lead

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                        • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                          Schmidt totally outcoaching Hansen. They are dominating the lineout, using the maul, using the choke tackle (not exactly novel tactics), kicking well - into touch. Picking a 6 at lock has turned out to be a shocker from Steve.

                          We can turn around 17 points but we need to sharpen up rapidly.

                          Sickening.

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                          @Billy-Tell said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:

                          Schmidt totally outcoaching Hansen. They are dominating the lineout, using the maul, using the choke tackle (not exactly novel tactics), kicking well - into touch. Picking a 6 at lock has turned out to be a shocker from Steve.

                          We can turn around 17 points but we need to sharpen up rapidly.

                          Sickening.

                          Both our locks are basically lose forwards, tuipolotu just as ineffective as Kaino
                          Pretty easy to see why Romano is continually picked ahead of him

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                            Biggest winner from an NZ perspective from this half is big Dom Bird.

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                              Too many players offering up rubbish today. Of all the games to be embarrassing, a showcase game against a team who have never beaten us.

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                              • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                Schmidt totally outcoaching Hansen. They are dominating the lineout, using the maul, using the choke tackle (not exactly novel tactics), kicking well - into touch. Picking a 6 at lock has turned out to be a shocker from Steve.

                                We can turn around 17 points but we need to sharpen up rapidly.

                                Sickening.

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                                @Billy-Tell dont thnk he has been out coached...we are just not playing well

                                Think we will see Scott make his debut pretty promptly if not straight from half time.

                                TJ shouldnt be far away either.

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                                  We have turned over way too much possession with lineout loses, mauls, in touch, penalties and a very poor kicking game. No way you can win when you give away so much possession.

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                                    Lineout needs some work ...

                                    Ireland playing well. Not giving away possession.

                                    We are though.

                                    Not sure of the fix apart from perhaps Barrett to try to fix the lineout.

                                    I'm almost resigned to this one now.

                                    But being a NZer you only write the ABs off when we're 3 tries down with 30s left ...

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                                      I don't mind the Kaino at lock option, but paired with a lock who is rarely ever used as a lineout option for the ABs is not good.

                                      Kaino is playing poorly though around the track. As is Read.

                                      It would be nice if we could just build some pressure with ball in hand rather than just going wide from the get go.

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                                        Crash
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                                        And hard to win when tackling is also optional

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                                          I guess playing Sam and BBBR 80 minutes every week without developing a backup lock that can start a test has hurt us a bit here. We had to go for our impact lock and a loosie and they've both struggled. Our lineout has cost us good ball and possesion at crucial moments.

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