All Blacks v Ireland II
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The lack of AB accuracy was most surprising but they got the job done. Rettalick and Whitelock made the difference with ALB and Dagg definitely strengthening the backs. I guess there is no choice but to stick with Fekitoa but surely Savea and A Smith cannot start next week.
@DMX said in Ireland II:
The lack of AB accuracy was most surprising but they got the job done. Rettalick and Whitelock made the difference with ALB and Dagg definitely strengthening the backs. I guess there is no choice but to stick with Fekitoa but surely Savea and A Smith cannot start next week.
Unless Crotty is fit. Of course, there's still Tamanivalu ...
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@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
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Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
@SimonAdd_2 Possibly. Also end of year, wrong season, beach barbecues and all that shit.
I just think if you're even a heartbeat off your game, anyone in the top 10 on any given day can beat you. Irelands day was at Soldier Field Simple -
I actually don't rate Fekitoa's Defence that highly:
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with the rush defence that we use, the decision making on where and when to tackle is paramount and I think he concentrates on speed out of the line without regard for how he is going to position himself for the tackle. He sems to be almost having to make the tackles with a let adjustment and the opposition player is almost past his shoulder.
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I thiink he is running the wrong lines, almost leaving too much room on his outside.
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He doesn't adjust at all well, sort of like a Fire andf forget missile - no post launch guidance mechanism.
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We won and we deserved it. Some totally BS calls by the ref but he is always inconsistent.Only one card was justified the second one, the other wasn't. Where was the ref and his assistants when Barrett almost had his head taken off? Cannot believe they were reviewing the grounding when he was hit right in the face!
I thought Fekitoa had a great game, he's not perfect but he was good and tackled like a demon. Rest of the team was fantastic in defence and good to see a bit of mongrel back. Was impressed with Squire as well, he lasted fine.
Have to thank Ireland for a great couple of games. It goes to show how poor the Aussies and Saffies were in the championship. Pretty clear it us, and Ireland & England in the top three. Have to see how France play tonight.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.
Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?
South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.
New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.
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@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@Toddy said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan Don't stop there, Go full retard and suggest the All Blacks should be down to 7 players
Well, they have showed total lack of discipline in this game. The score isn't a true reflection of the game. I'm not a one-eyed AB fan. Hope that makes you feel better (I'm not that like you, I don't take things to a personal level).
DOn't get me wrong, Ireland played well, but the ABs left at least a couple of tries out there. I said above - 9 points is a poor return at home, with a pack going like that, and 2 YC for the opposition. Ireland looked largely ineffectual with ball in hand - on antoher day, that's a win by more than 20
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@Toddy said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan Don't stop there, Go full retard and suggest the All Blacks should be down to 7 players
Well, they have showed total lack of discipline in this game. The score isn't a true reflection of the game. I'm not a one-eyed AB fan. Hope that makes you feel better (I'm not that like you, I don't take things to a personal level).
DOn't get me wrong, Ireland played well, but the ABs left at least a couple of tries out there. I said above - 9 points is a poor return at home, with a pack going like that, and 2 YC for the opposition. Ireland looked largely ineffectual with ball in hand - on antoher day, that's a win by more than 20
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@Toddy said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan Don't stop there, Go full retard and suggest the All Blacks should be down to 7 players
Well, they have showed total lack of discipline in this game. The score isn't a true reflection of the game. I'm not a one-eyed AB fan. Hope that makes you feel better (I'm not that like you, I don't take things to a personal level).
DOn't get me wrong, Ireland played well, but the ABs left at least a couple of tries out there. I said above - 9 points is a poor return at home, with a pack going like that, and 2 YC for the opposition. Ireland looked largely ineffectual with ball in hand - on antoher day, that's a win by more than 20
Only thing they did well was defend. but sometimes a good sign of things is the defence i.e. keeping AB's out (in general). Compared to Chicago, Irish attack was crap. However AB's had some players back (helps to have great locks!) and Irish also lost players in the game (especially Sexton and Stander) . I think ABs really must start with TJ. Aaron really is off the boil.
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@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second. -
People that try and recalculate the score based on a couple of decisions, as if the game would have played out exactly the same way if different decisions were made, are beyond retarded.
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People that try and recalculate the score based on a couple of decisions, as if the game would have played out exactly the same way if different decisions were made, are beyond retarded.
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
People that try and recalculate the score based on a couple of decisions, as if the game would have played out exactly the same way if different decisions were made, are beyond retarded.
That would make a great signature.
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.
Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?
South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.
New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.
Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?
South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.
New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.
Boks are more than a mess. At the moment here in SA, we have lost faith in our team. I was more happy to see Italy win today (against boks) must because one of my mates is Italian and I know the party they would have.
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ABS can only win by dirty cheating play.
By the sounds of it, our defence was excellent, but still alot of errors and a few of our big names well off the pace.
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I honestly expected a more comprehensive display from the Abs after the Chicago loss. Our loosies were well and truly outplayed after Cane left and our forwards in general were shaded by the Irish. I don't think we are that far ahead of the pack as originally thought. Ireland's injuries cost them dearly and were unlucky not too have scored on a couple of occasions. Fekitoa probably played his last game in an All Black jersey imo.
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I actually don't rate Fekitoa's Defence that highly:
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with the rush defence that we use, the decision making on where and when to tackle is paramount and I think he concentrates on speed out of the line without regard for how he is going to position himself for the tackle. He sems to be almost having to make the tackles with a let adjustment and the opposition player is almost past his shoulder.
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I thiink he is running the wrong lines, almost leaving too much room on his outside.
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He doesn't adjust at all well, sort of like a Fire andf forget missile - no post launch guidance mechanism.
@SynicBast said in Ireland II:
I actually don't rate Fekitoa's Defence that highly:
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with the rush defence that we use, the decision making on where and when to tackle is paramount and I think he concentrates on speed out of the line without regard for how he is going to position himself for the tackle. He sems to be almost having to make the tackles with a let adjustment and the opposition player is almost past his shoulder.
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I thiink he is running the wrong lines, almost leaving too much room on his outside.
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He doesn't adjust at all well, sort of like a Fire andf forget missile - no post launch guidance mechanism.
I agree.
But he is a good tackler
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Irish forums complaining about the ref.
I thought we got rode by Peyper.
Our defence was pure awesome.
The Irish are a bloody good side, especially in the forwards - their starting props, Toner, and especially their back row are very good. Backs lack a bit of x-factor.
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Was just texted the score. Congrats lads.
Looking forward to the re-re-match.
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@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.Yep, but you need the lines to see where the hand action is. If you run a diagonal, you can't move your hands forward. That pass was fine.
We should be talking about the BB knock on that robbed us of a try. ROBBED.
WE WERE ROBBED. IRB MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT! REF MUST NEVER REFEREE AGAIN! HE IS BIASED AGAINST US!
WE WOULD HAVE WON IF WE GET THAT.
ok, rant over
It felt good
