All Blacks v Ireland II
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Second one doesn't need to, it just confirmed that it wasn't held up.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
Closer to the posts?
For my mind, Cane going off with the stuffed ankle was a big loss. Ardie still can't dominate collisions. And Aaron had a mare - he was directly responsible for gifting the Irish possession in our territory. He placed us under continuous defensive pressure.
@antipodean said in Ireland II:
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Second one doesn't need to, it just confirmed that it wasn't held up.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
Closer to the posts?
For my mind, Cane going off with the stuffed ankle was a big loss. Ardie still can't dominate collisions. And Aaron had a mare - he was directly responsible for gifting the Irish possession in our territory. He placed us under continuous defensive pressure.
Agreed, Not that Ardie was bad, but Cane provides Kaino like punch on defence. Hope he isn't out next week. He has had a string of injuries this season. Off season probably coming at the right time for him.
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Glad we won that game. Is that the first time this year we haven't scored 4 tries?
We bombed a couple. The Coles break down the sideline and the Cruden drop off the Dagg run.The Irish captain and Peiper can get fucked. When your team is allowed to fly off their feet into every ruck and get turnovers on your knees yet the other team gets pinged for absolutely everything at ruck time you have no right to whinge. He should have been told to fuck off or be penalised when he walked out during that conversion.
Fekitoa lucky not to get a red. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get a ban.Should have been a penalty try and yellow for that Barrett try. So doubt about grounding is irrelevant. Having said that BB should have just put the ball down earlier. Its not as if he was wide out.
BB was my MOM. He ran and goal kicked well. Thought he chip kicked a bit too much with our lack of possession though. Those who pointed to the chip kick being a team tactic last week obviously right. Still think we over did it though.
BBBR, Whitelock and Dagg made a huge difference. A Smith the only one who had a shocker. Surprised he didn't get dragged earlier. Swap him and TJP for next week IMO.
Bit of a concern that we have been living off scraps of possession a few games lately. It seems that if they aren't kicking it to us lots and our offensive defence isn't causing errors we don't have many ways to get the ball back. Not calling for a pocock style approach but would be good to attack the breakdown a bit more often in the middle part of the field to turn that possession stat around. Need to fix our chronic offside issues too.
@pukunui said in Ireland II:
Bit of a concern that we have been living off scraps of possession a few games lately. It seems that if they aren't kicking it to us lots and our offensive defence isn't causing errors we don't have many ways to get the ball back. Not calling for a pocock style approach but would be good to attack the breakdown a bit more often in the middle part of the field to turn that possession stat around.** Need to fix our chronic offside issues too.
This x 1000.
Post Richie era we don't seem to attack the breakdowns often. Just tend to fan out on defence where we are susceptible to / and have been caught out a few times by Argie sniping and Ireland sending runners through the middle. Very irritating. Need to find a way to nullify that. Cane does a lot of good work at the breakdown, but I feel we are still missing an edge in this area.
SR will be interesting next season with Mitch Karpik and Blake Gibson back on deck. -
Just logged on to say fair play and cheers for a cracking series lads.
Proper, hard as nails rugby from two teams who wanted to play ball. Was delighted to get that monkey off our backs a fortnight ago and proud of the effort today, especially from our pack even if we lacked that little bit of attacking guile that sees your lads through when your backs are against the wall.
As losing Crotty last week affected your attack, there's no shame in losing our attacking shape after losing Sexton and Henshaw so early. That and your fellas superb defence was the difference in the game for me.
That and Brodie Retallick. What a beast of a player and the best player in the world by a distance in my book. I thought we had the edge in a lot of areas of the pack but that fecker evened the scales all on his own!
Agreed with Hansen's comments on there being no malice in any of the tough play tonight. The ref was a bit all over the place but I didn't think either side came off worse and we've only ourselves to blame for not exploiting the rubs of the green we did get. The decisions not to scrum penalties close to the line when we had a man advantage were shockers.
Anyway, enough rambling. Just wanted to say congrats and cheers for a fantastic 2 rugby!
Please do stick around. Reasoned comment from non-AB supporters is alwqays welcome here, plus you'll be able to provide a different perspective on events throughout the seasons.
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Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Certainly not for Cane. It's a head clash because Henshaw drops into the tackle at the worst possible moment. It looks worse because you're looking at it in slow motion.
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If doing a cricket sessions-like analysis. In this drawn 2 match series- Ireland probably dominated about 120 of the 160 minutes.
Plenty of food for thought.
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
If doing a cricket sessions-like analysis. In this drawn 2 match series- Ireland probably dominated about 120 of the 160 minutes.
Plenty of food for thought.
I get what you are getting at but in a three tries to none victory I failed to see how they own 3/4 of the game.
Each quarter of the game was like Ireland bowled a 0/50 session. Sure they kept the runs down but ultimately the game moved slowly away from them and their bowlers became less effective through attrition.
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man there are some tears coming from the Irish in the aftermath....cheating, dirty, out to mame players at every touch....
I think BB clearly scored, definitely swinging arm, hit him in the jaw, little in Canes one, bit clumsy from both players, but havent watched the other one yet.
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I mentioned to my wife during the game that I'm finally getting a glimpse into what other fans feel when their team plays the All Blacks... double standards from the ref, smug captain given a free pass to talk to the ref as much as he likes, loose passes and inopportune penalties. I now understand their frustration... except for that we won
I had the Irish commentary. The main commentator must surely have kissed the Blarney Stone, such was his eloquence as the game got off to a flyer. However, their ability to watch replay after replay of Barrett's try and not mention the fact he was tackled very high, was amazing.
Fekitoa's tackle was bad. Definitely a yellow, but we can see from the Cane penalty that injury comes into play, so if the guy had been injured it could have been a red. If the Irish 12 wasn't injured I don't think Cane would have even been penalised.
Barrett played well, but I would have given Retallick man of the match. You don't get much better than that from a lock.
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Interesting contrast in reaction to the two results, Chicago and Dublin.
Winners, losers, magnanimity and shit loss.
@booboo said in Ireland II:
Interesting contrast in reaction to the two results, Chicago and Dublin.
Winners, losers, magnanimity and shit loss.
The Irish have been terrible losers today. All the kiwis who were happy for Ireland and their fans after the Chicago loss should hopefully now realise that others won't ever reciprocate that level of magnanimity towards us. I hope we will never ever see another day where an AB loss is accepted and even celebrated by many AB fans.
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man there are some tears coming from the Irish in the aftermath....cheating, dirty, out to mame players at every touch....
I think BB clearly scored, definitely swinging arm, hit him in the jaw, little in Canes one, bit clumsy from both players, but havent watched the other one yet.
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
man there are some tears coming from the Irish in the aftermath....cheating, dirty, out to mame players at every touch....
The normally measured Murray Kinsella is even taking the koolaid. Contrast their response with the congratulations from all and sundry when they finally managed a win two weeks ago.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
man there are some tears coming from the Irish in the aftermath....cheating, dirty, out to mame players at every touch....
The normally measured Murray Kinsella is even taking the koolaid. Contrast their response with the congratulations from all and sundry when they finally managed a win two weeks ago.
@antipodean there were a huge bunch that were ranting about our supposed lack of humiltiy after that game too!
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Have a fucking cry. It's laughable to suggest Ireland didn't get the rub of the green from the ref. Squealing for more cards? Pathetic.
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@Luigi said in Ireland II:
@chimoaus all comms are blinkered twats - it's a fact.
Have you ever heard Justin Marshall call a game?
@jegga said in Ireland II:
@Luigi said in Ireland II:
@chimoaus all comms are blinkered twats - it's a fact.
Have you ever heard Justin Marshall call a game?
Figured it would be a cold day in hell till I heard someone on the fern wishing Marshall was calling the game. Personally I find him refreshing for all the reasons the Irish comms were insufferable.
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@jegga said in Ireland II:
@Luigi said in Ireland II:
@chimoaus all comms are blinkered twats - it's a fact.
Have you ever heard Justin Marshall call a game?
Figured it would be a cold day in hell till I heard someone on the fern wishing Marshall was calling the game. Personally I find him refreshing for all the reasons the Irish comms were insufferable.
@mooshld there was one commentator who was truly, tragically partisan. I thought A Savea lucky about 55th min not going through the gate. And there were some high tackles from the Irish that weren't mentioned. Overall I thought our best loose forward was BBBR, TJP was very good, his bad kicks aside A Smith so-so, Squire didn't have much physical presence, Read was relatively quiet but not terrible,the Irish loosies excellent as a trio, their whole pack really good. Their outside backs not great though.
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Second one doesn't need to, it just confirmed that it wasn't held up.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
Closer to the posts?
For my mind, Cane going off with the stuffed ankle was a big loss. Ardie still can't dominate collisions. And Aaron had a mare - he was directly responsible for gifting the Irish possession in our territory. He placed us under continuous defensive pressure.
Ardie had a very good game. Nothing at all was lost by Cane going off. It might have been a gain based on the way Ardie played
Aaron was very poor in the first test and not much better in this one. Its a concern that the coaches can not see this. Esp with TJP playing so well. So they have a great alternative but can't see it
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Clearly you don't watch a lot of rugby.
Deserved yellow card for a poor tackle
Steady on chap, I have been watching rugby since the 87 World Cup. My humble opinion is that tackle could have been a red on another day. Maybe I need another viewing.
I think the onus has got to be on the tackler to take more care in these situations. Not go charging in head first like Cane did. But Cane can be a bit careless with no regard for other players
But in the circumstances I think a yellow not red was enough
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Didn't I always tell you Aaron Smith was shit?
Classic test, a great contest, Schmiddy has Ireland well-drilled and focused. They should waste Australia next week but the stats today with their poss/terr are a demonstration of how limited they were in a couple of important aspects like finishing and decision-making, and how much more we could improve...
Dagg and B.Barrett now clear first-choices. Oustanding game from Barrett, a breakout performance under pressure for form, and he kicked too..
The Potatoes hammered us at the breakdown, which will now be every other team's idea of our Achilles tendon. The thing of standing off the ruck may need some re-thinking, they'd just keep going forward, and got like a thousand turnovers to our like none. Bring back Matt Todd. BUT we defended like motherfuckers in the second half, NO TRIES YOU WHINGING DONKIES...
And Jack O'Piper was a joke.
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I'm not going to read the article, but Rattue predictably having another pop at Read. The guy is insufferable.
I enjoyed reading the match thread as many of the comments echoed my reaction at the time while watching the game live. But I still much prefer these types of tests than one-sided games.
As to Peyper, you know he had a terrible game when both coaches complain about him.
Despite the much-improved D by the ABs they still missed >10% of their tackles. Some of the defence around the fringes of the ruck was average too but the scramble defence was excellent.
