Azzuri v Bokke
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Yeah Pollard got injured before Super Rugby started if I remember correctly.
I really hope this result turns out to be a positive for both sides.
For the Boks - hopefully this leads to change - what's happening now just is not working to state the obvious. While there are huge issues at play - I think if they put a coach like Ackermann in charge - he would be able to get a whole lot more out of the Boks.
For the Italians - hopefully this is the start of something. While the Boks are in a bad state right now - for a new coach to pull out this result a week after a really tough first game is impressive. No doubt Venter as part of the coaching group had a big role to play. This should at least give the Italians confidence in what they are doing moving into the Six Nations and give coach O'Shea some 'currency' in relation to where he wants to take the side.
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@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
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I think this result wasn't all due to the Boks having a bad game or a bad series of games. IMO the Italians played much better than expected after last weekend. Last week, they already showed they could defend well (for a great part of the game, at least). They did that again today. Different from last week though, was that they attacked more, were more creative and took their chances. Last week, they looked scared and intimidated. This week, not at all. Yes, the Boks' performance going backwards may play a role, but I think the Italians deserve a bit more credit. I hope they can continue to improve and become a more competitive team in 6 Nations.
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@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
@reprobate
ha ha - yeah that's why I meant....ffs -
@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
@reprobate said in Azzuri v Bokke:
@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
ha, ha, yeah that's what I meant....FFS
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@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
@reprobate said in Azzuri v Bokke:
@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
Got to love TSF. No shades of grey.
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Haven't seen this match apart from the scoring highlights.
Japan are actually quite good, innovative and skilful. But Italy? Sheesh, based on last week they offered nothing.
Normally I'd be happy with an upset against one of the original IRB 8. Not this time.
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@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
@reprobate said in Azzuri v Bokke:
@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
There's not much I'm with Frank on politically, but farking around with elite sports teams is bloody risky, particularly when your economy is munted and th eplayers can choose to play offshore.
Neil Wagner and Irene van Dyk agree with me
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The transformation they so desperately desire shouldn't have been done simultaneously at all levels - how the fuck could that ever work when you'd kept a large slice of the population out of the development pathway?
Introduce it at junior school levels, then gradually bring that generation through on it. Otherwise you can't expect anything but disaster
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@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
@reprobate said in Azzuri v Bokke:
@Frank said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The Boks.
The end result of political correctness.
fuck yeah frank, bring back apartheid.
What? That's not what he meant at all. Quotas (which is the very definition of PC) have ruined SA rugby. It's a shame.
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The transformation they so desperately desire shouldn't have been done simultaneously at all levels - how the fuck could that ever work when you'd kept a large slice of the population out of the development pathway?
Introduce it at junior school levels, then gradually bring that generation through on it. Otherwise you can't expect anything but disaster
@NTA said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The transformation they so desperately desire shouldn't have been done simultaneously at all levels - how the fuck could that ever work when you'd kept a large slice of the population out of the development pathway?
Introduce it at junior school levels, then gradually bring that generation through on it. Otherwise you can't expect anything but disaster
Because the ANC want rugby ruined, basically.
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@NTA said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The transformation they so desperately desire shouldn't have been done simultaneously at all levels - how the fuck could that ever work when you'd kept a large slice of the population out of the development pathway?
Introduce it at junior school levels, then gradually bring that generation through on it. Otherwise you can't expect anything but disaster
Because the ANC want rugby ruined, basically.
@Kirwan said in Azzuri v Bokke:
@NTA said in Azzuri v Bokke:
The transformation they so desperately desire shouldn't have been done simultaneously at all levels - how the fuck could that ever work when you'd kept a large slice of the population out of the development pathway?
Introduce it at junior school levels, then gradually bring that generation through on it. Otherwise you can't expect anything but disaster
Because the ANC want rugby ruined, basically.
I think this might be the crux of the matter, perhaps with a proviso that if not ruination, then run and owned by "our people"
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it is not PC gone mad to try to re-dress imbalances caused by a totally fucked and disgusting regime which oppressed millions of people. it's fine to argue re the details of implementation, but you can't just say 'everything is equal now' after putting generations of people in a position where it is far more difficult for them to succeed.
here's the team:
Springboks: 15-Willie le Roux‚ 14-Ruan Combrinck‚ 13-Francois Venter‚ 12-Damian de Allende‚ 11-Bryan Habana‚ 10-Pat Lambie‚ 9-Rudy Paige‚ 8-Warren Whiteley‚ 7-Willem Alberts‚ 6-Nizaam Carr‚ 5-Lood de Jager‚ 4-Pieter-Steph du Toit‚ 3-Vincent Koch‚ 2-Adriaan Strauss (capt)‚ 1-Tendai Mtawarira.they didn't beat italy because PC has gone mad?
haven't tried adding a picture before so will see if this works
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here's the team that lost to japan for good measure. quotas are not the reason this side loses to japan. complacency, shit coaching, shit selection (regardless of race), shit tactics, shit economy forcing players overseas etc etc.
- Tendai Mtawarira
- Bismarck Du Plessis
- Jannie Du Plessis
- Lodewyk De Jager
- Victor Matfield
- Francois Louw
- Willem Alberts
- Schalk Burger
- Ruan Pienaar
- Pat Lambie
- Lwazi Mvovo
- Jean De Villiers (captain)
- Jesse Kriel
- Bryan Habana
- Zane Kirchner
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@reprobate I don't think anyone is arguing that the SARU should encourage black people to play the game. However, a lot of them simply just don't want to. The work should be done at the grassroots and the top level should remain as a meritocracy. I think it becomes a problem where if a team is bad for so long they lose their DNA. I think that has happened with the Windies cricket team. If they were going to recover, they would have done so already. I don't think South Africa is anywhere near that state. However, if they keep losing to teams like Italy (when Italy haven't made many discernible improvements) it isn't going to encourage anyone to start playing more rugby.
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That's one of the stupidest comics I've seen. Talk about over simplifying the issues. Yeah the racist systems that were in place in the past we reprehensible, but retarded ideas like quota systems are a fucking cancerous way of trying to restore equality. All you can do is provide equality of opportunity and the ability for everyone to take responsibility for their own lives. If you take that responsibility away with handouts and quota systems or any other dumb ideas nothing ever improves and you will continue to have a very divided country.
