All Blacks v Ireland II
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Both 8s break before the ball is out IMO - as you say, pretty simultaneously.
Is an attacking 8 allowed to detach before the ball is at his feet?
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@hydro11 ah you being deliberately obtuse?
One of the angles I saw clearly showed a head clash, so I obviously saw something you didn't.
No you are being absurd. If you look at that video you see that there is a clear separation between the two players' heads. The angle you saw was a poor angle and not the best way to look at it. Are you really trying to argue that even though there was a clear separation of the heads, another angle could show a head clash? It's ridiculous. You cannot have a head clash, unless the heads actually touch. You seem to be arguing that there are two realities, one where a head clash occurred and one where a head clash did not occur.
If you have clear evidence of a head clash, then you should post it.
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@hydro11 right you are, god knows what I was looking at...
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Both 8s break before the ball is out IMO - as you say, pretty simultaneously.
Is an attacking 8 allowed to detach before the ball is at his feet?
Technically the scrum ends when the ball is at his feet and he unbinds.
20.10 (c) Hindmost player unbinds. The hindmost player in a scrum is the player whose feet are nearest the team’s own goal line. If the hindmost player unbinds from the scrum with the ball at that player’s feet and picks up the ball, the scrum ends.
Read has probably gambled a bit on when Heaslip would detach, thinking maybe that Ireland would run from 8.
Its a close one, and Peyper is the kind of ref who will just let the players sort it out. I haven't seen the game so don't know what the penalty was actually given for.
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@NTA said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Both 8s break before the ball is out IMO - as you say, pretty simultaneously.
Is an attacking 8 allowed to detach before the ball is at his feet?
Technically the scrum ends when the ball is at his feet and he unbinds.
20.10 (c) Hindmost player unbinds. The hindmost player in a scrum is the player whose feet are nearest the team’s own goal line. If the hindmost player unbinds from the scrum with the ball at that player’s feet and picks up the ball, the scrum ends.
Read has probably gambled a bit on when Heaslip would detach, thinking maybe that Ireland would run from 8.
Its a close one, and Peyper is the kind of ref who will just let the players sort it out. I haven't seen the game so don't know what the penalty was actually given for.
Yeah, but Heaslip unbinds before the ball was at his feet (at about the same time Read does). Scrum can't be over, so could be a penalty either way? Not sure what to make of it to be honest.
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@SimonAdd_2 yep, it's all in the timing, and who the ref happened to be looking at. They clamped down on the attacking #8 changing channels a couple of years ago to combat this very thing. Heaslip definitely unbinds early, and tries to re-bind (penalisable) but i think Read does go first. Result: Penalty Ireland. But again, to call "blatant!!" and whinge for more than just the penalty is fucking ludicrous.
This really is delicious. I always loved beating the Irish more than anyone else because of their huge amounts of entitled whinging, but had softened, especially after the other week. The last couple of days has set the world straight again.
Sorry Pot Hale, you've been pretty good recently, but some of your compatriots need to have a fucking look at themselves. Just shows that expectation is a bitch.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
That's about as clear as it gets. Unfortunate for Cane as I think it was unintentional and Henshaw did spin into him, but it's a shoulder to the head that knocks a player unconscious. He'll get a few weeks' ban.
Fair enough, that angle does clear it up. Accidental but likely to cop a ban, though I don't agree that it should.
Incredible that Sexton wasn't cited given his was a calculated swinging arm.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@NTA said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Both 8s break before the ball is out IMO - as you say, pretty simultaneously.
Is an attacking 8 allowed to detach before the ball is at his feet?
Technically the scrum ends when the ball is at his feet and he unbinds.
20.10 (c) Hindmost player unbinds. The hindmost player in a scrum is the player whose feet are nearest the team’s own goal line. If the hindmost player unbinds from the scrum with the ball at that player’s feet and picks up the ball, the scrum ends.
Read has probably gambled a bit on when Heaslip would detach, thinking maybe that Ireland would run from 8.
Its a close one, and Peyper is the kind of ref who will just let the players sort it out. I haven't seen the game so don't know what the penalty was actually given for.
Yeah, but Heaslip unbinds before the ball was at his feet (at about the same time Read does). Scrum can't be over, so could be a penalty either way? Not sure what to make of it to be honest.
Squire is the first to unbind from the scrum. He does this as the Irish tighthead goes backwards and then folds in. That's where the advantage comes from. Read follows early and the Irish get control and start moving forward but VDF (?) unbinds and presents the ball, so there's no possible way they can be awarded a penalty try.
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@Bovidae said in Ireland II:
@ACT-Crusader Tamanivalu is in the squad too, and he and ALB have played together before. Losing BFA means you lose a back-up midfielder too in the 23. Naholo is NOT a centre as he struggles defensively on the wing.
Agree about Rieko - he's unproven in the midfield but could make the bench vs France with the injuries.
For some reason I thought Seta was sent back home.
Seta would be better than Reiko at this point and the combo is there with ALB. It will have some nervous but I do prefer that with all the options crook.
Savea will play because he's an experienced player that we will need.
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@ACT-Crusader and i thought he was pretty good on Saturday as well. He really does get marked harshly.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 yep, it's all in the timing, and who the ref happened to be looking at. They clamped down on the attacking #8 changing channels a couple of years ago to combat this very thing. Heaslip definitely unbinds early, and tries to re-bind (penalisable) but i think Read does go first. Result: Penalty Ireland. But again, to call "blatant!!" and whinge for more than just the penalty is fucking ludicrous.
This really is delicious. I always loved beating the Irish more than anyone else because of their huge amounts of entitled whinging, but had softened, especially after the other week. The last couple of days has set the world straight again.
Sorry Pot Hale, you've been pretty good recently, but some of your compatriots need to have a fucking look at themselves. Just shows that expectation is a bitch.
I've been pretty good recently?
Gosh thanks ever so much Mr Mariner. Thank God I didn't offend you or behave like one of my compatriots who are unique amongst sport fans the world over in that some of them complain or whinge about some aspect of a game they've watched. Totally aberrant behaviour.
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@Pot-Hale sarcasm will get you everywhere with me.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale sarcasm will get you everywhere with me.
Well I was going to say - go suck balls, you pompous, sanctimonious, condescending, generalising squeezed up tight popcorn fart, but I thought I should reply politely. So I did.
Love and kisses. X
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale sarcasm will get you everywhere with me.
Well I was going to say - go suck balls, you pompous, sanctimonious, condescending, generalising squeezed up tight popcorn fart, but I thought I should reply politely. So I did.
Love and kisses. X
popcorn fart is new.
Eat a box of cocks
(cheers to your lads for a great little 2 test series, good luck next week and in the 6N)
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@MajorRage said in Ireland II:
Trial by media is alive and well up north. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
And their media has the advantage of 65" ultra HD sonic boom monitors. Whilst we are peddling on the bike powered generator to get the 12" B&W to run, so obviously haven't seen the same angles they have.
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Former All Black 3/4, Douglas Howlett was seen trying to enter the All Blacks dressing room after New Zealand defeated Ireland 21-9. A man who did not appear to have any official capacity other than some sources saying he was seen cutting oranges at half-time, questioned Mr Howlett. The questioning got quite animated with the man asking "who are you". Mr Howlett, replied, "I'm Doug Howlett, leading try scorer, to which the man said "never heard of ya".
The arguing quickly turned to pushing. Mr Howlett was seen shortly after the scuffle with pride deflated and redness under the left eye....
