Ire v Aus
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From my experience, Richie was only really disliked by the English and the Welsh up here.
The English probably because he beat them when they thought they were good, which they always struggle with and the Welsh because they don't really like anyone. I've never seen a player or team win more than 10 matches in a season, and not be deemed cheating scum by the Welsh.
In Ireland he was revered far more than Pocock will ever be. In Munster he's considered a spiritual godfather! I've lived in Scotland and France as well, and he's well respected in both countries. Just because the English (and often our own) media bleat louder than most, doesn't for a second mean their views are indicative of the masses.
@munstergreen Media aside I haven't seen anything concerted in England about McCaw. We may not revere him but we sure as hell respect him.
Why he gets more grief than Pocock is, I feel, simply down to success as Barbs says below. What's the point about giving grief to a 7 doing his job if you've just beaten his team agains giving him grief after you've just lost to his team for the umpteenth time in a row.
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if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
I can see how opposition supporters found him irritating , not because he is a prick ,and putting the allegations of cheating aside,
But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastard
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@kiwiinmelb said in Ire v Aus:
if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
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But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastardWell, TBH that isn't really it - and it sounds a bit like you can't get past the admiration bit
It was individual incidents for me. Not getting a yellow card in situations pretty much anyone else would. Or even a penalty. Its not cheating, its just that, while he was better than most of his peers most of the time, there were times during his career where the refs just seemed to utterly bottle it.
Most memorable was a Bledisloe Test in ?Brisbane? where he made a tackle and (as is his wont) landed on our side. Gregan eventually gets clear ball and is about to pick it up, when McCaw deliberately puts his leg on it. He's offside, off his feet, out of the game, and he interferes with the ball. That is a yellow card every day of the week, anywhere on the field.
Kaplan just looks at him sternly and blows the whistle. Not even a warning.
Now, that isn't all McCaw's fault of course - Kaplan is the one who was known for handing out Last Warnings multiple times - but it just demonstrates why that "cheat" tag got applied. Nobody seemed to want to punish him.
But there is pushing the ref's patience, and then there is taking a dump in the ref's mouth while the opposition are forced to look on, Clockwork-Orange-style
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Also, he seems exceptionally boring. Like he should be in a glass case with "Break In Case Of Rugby or Gliders".
Guess you need to take steps to protect your personal life away from sport, like Gregan did. But I'm told he's just actually that quiet.
I'd definitely warm to him more if he looked like he had a bit more fun on a Saturday night than a warm cup of cocoa and a flick through the latest Bell Helicopter spec sheet
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@kiwiinmelb said in Ire v Aus:
if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
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But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastardWell, TBH that isn't really it - and it sounds a bit like you can't get past the admiration bit
It was individual incidents for me. Not getting a yellow card in situations pretty much anyone else would. Or even a penalty. Its not cheating, its just that, while he was better than most of his peers most of the time, there were times during his career where the refs just seemed to utterly bottle it.
Most memorable was a Bledisloe Test in ?Brisbane? where he made a tackle and (as is his wont) landed on our side. Gregan eventually gets clear ball and is about to pick it up, when McCaw deliberately puts his leg on it. He's offside, off his feet, out of the game, and he interferes with the ball. That is a yellow card every day of the week, anywhere on the field.
Kaplan just looks at him sternly and blows the whistle. Not even a warning.
Now, that isn't all McCaw's fault of course - Kaplan is the one who was known for handing out Last Warnings multiple times - but it just demonstrates why that "cheat" tag got applied. Nobody seemed to want to punish him.
But there is pushing the ref's patience, and then there is taking a dump in the ref's mouth while the opposition are forced to look on, Clockwork-Orange-style
@kiwiinmelb said in Ire v Aus:
if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
...
But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastardWell, TBH that isn't really it - and it sounds a bit like you can't get past the admiration bit
It was individual incidents for me. Not getting a yellow card in situations pretty much anyone else would. Or even a penalty. Its not cheating, its just that, while he was better than most of his peers most of the time, there were times during his career where the refs just seemed to utterly bottle it.
Most memorable was a Bledisloe Test in ?Brisbane? where he made a tackle and (as is his wont) landed on our side. Gregan eventually gets clear ball and is about to pick it up, when McCaw deliberately puts his leg on it. He's offside, off his feet, out of the game, and he interferes with the ball. That is a yellow card every day of the week, anywhere on the field.
Kaplan just looks at him sternly and blows the whistle. Not even a warning.
Now, that isn't all McCaw's fault of course - Kaplan is the one who was known for handing out Last Warnings multiple times - but it just demonstrates why that "cheat" tag got applied. Nobody seemed to want to punish him.
But there is pushing the ref's patience, and then there is taking a dump in the ref's mouth while the opposition are forced to look on, Clockwork-Orange-style
Ok Fair enough , but I suspect that is more the Aussie Version of things
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if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
I can see how opposition supporters found him irritating , not because he is a prick ,and putting the allegations of cheating aside,
But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastard
@kiwiinmelb said in Ire v Aus:
if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
I can see how opposition supporters found him irritating , not because he is a prick ,and putting the allegations of cheating aside,
But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastard
I reckon that's a large part of it. He was successful and didn't make a huge deal about how he also patted puppies and kittens.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Ire v Aus:
if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
...
But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastardWell, TBH that isn't really it - and it sounds a bit like you can't get past the admiration bit
It was individual incidents for me. Not getting a yellow card in situations pretty much anyone else would. Or even a penalty. Its not cheating, its just that, while he was better than most of his peers most of the time, there were times during his career where the refs just seemed to utterly bottle it.
Most memorable was a Bledisloe Test in ?Brisbane? where he made a tackle and (as is his wont) landed on our side. Gregan eventually gets clear ball and is about to pick it up, when McCaw deliberately puts his leg on it. He's offside, off his feet, out of the game, and he interferes with the ball. That is a yellow card every day of the week, anywhere on the field.
Kaplan just looks at him sternly and blows the whistle. Not even a warning.
Now, that isn't all McCaw's fault of course - Kaplan is the one who was known for handing out Last Warnings multiple times - but it just demonstrates why that "cheat" tag got applied. Nobody seemed to want to punish him.
But there is pushing the ref's patience, and then there is taking a dump in the ref's mouth while the opposition are forced to look on, Clockwork-Orange-style
@kiwiinmelb said in Ire v Aus:
if I try to imagine how I would perceive Richie if I wasnt a kiwi and supporting a team that is trying to beat us,
...
But just the fact that he came across as ice cold , ruthless and singled minded in his pursuit of victory , and more often than not he got what he wanted , that would have to be annoying ........ here he goes again lifting another trophy , bastardWell, TBH that isn't really it - and it sounds a bit like you can't get past the admiration bit
It was individual incidents for me. Not getting a yellow card in situations pretty much anyone else would. Or even a penalty. Its not cheating, its just that, while he was better than most of his peers most of the time, there were times during his career where the refs just seemed to utterly bottle it.
Most memorable was a Bledisloe Test in ?Brisbane? where he made a tackle and (as is his wont) landed on our side. Gregan eventually gets clear ball and is about to pick it up, when McCaw deliberately puts his leg on it. He's offside, off his feet, out of the game, and he interferes with the ball. That is a yellow card every day of the week, anywhere on the field.
Kaplan just looks at him sternly and blows the whistle. Not even a warning.
Now, that isn't all McCaw's fault of course - Kaplan is the one who was known for handing out Last Warnings multiple times - but it just demonstrates why that "cheat" tag got applied. Nobody seemed to want to punish him.
But there is pushing the ref's patience, and then there is taking a dump in the ref's mouth while the opposition are forced to look on, Clockwork-Orange-style
wow.
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@NTA that's it? That's your reply? That is weak as piss. Weaker even than your tearful admittance that Richie is in your head, even now. #butthurt
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@NTA That first photo of "Fucking Barnes" (as my old man prefers to call him) has to be a lot more recent than 2007. He certainly couldn't raise an arm then.
I was at Cardiff, and I have adjusted to life with the scars, built a few bridges, but I am not getting over that particular one and that prick being a thalidomide victim. Weird how he has actually not just grown some arms, but some balls as well.
Yes Nick, it still hurts.
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@NTA That first photo of "Fucking Barnes" (as my old man prefers to call him) has to be a lot more recent than 2007. He certainly couldn't raise an arm then.
I was at Cardiff, and I have adjusted to life with the scars, built a few bridges, but I am not getting over that particular one and that prick being a thalidomide victim. Weird how he has actually not just grown some arms, but some balls as well.
Yes Nick, it still hurts.
I was at Cardiff, and I have adjusted to life with the scars, built a few bridges, but I am not getting over that particular one and that prick being a thalidomide victim. Weird how he has actually not just grown some arms, but some balls as well.
Yes Nick, it still hurts.Yeah no doubt - not necessarily a decider, but a pivotal call.
Hopefully the Wallabies decide to take a leaf out of the ABs book from that point, and get good enough to take the ref out of the equation in future. Though in some cases, you have to wonder whether it even matters.
