Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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It's interesting that the criticisms of The Force Awakens just slide off of Rogue One, there were waaay more callbacks and re-use of stuff in R1.
And there were less callbacks in FA than Return of the Jedi.
You could argue that the main plot of FA was finding Luke Skywalker, and that Starkiller Base was just the macguffin.
You could also level the same boring Mary Sue arguments against both protagonists (and would be wrong).
I like both films, but if I was being hyper critical I would say that the FA had a much better start and middle but didn't stick the landing as well as R1. R1's beginning and middle had problems (lots of rushed exposition and characters being conveniently placed for no good reason).
But these films are supposed to be b-movie serials with great action and escapism. Watching Star Wars for the plot is not far removed from doing the same for porn.
If this is the standard of the films we are going to get every year, then bring it on.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
TFA is shit loads better than TPM ... and AOTC and ROTS (I'd rate them Empire, Star Wars, TFA, ROTJ, AOTC, ROTS, TPM ... with at least another watch of Rogue One to figure out where it sits). I recently watched those two and can't believe how utterly shit they are (in my single fanboi watch back in the day I actually thought those two were decent but by god they're terrible and how do you manage to make Natalie Portman look like a cabbage actor).
I've watched TFA three times and enjoyed it every time. I think this one is probably better but that's likely due to being a self contained war movie without having to set up a new trilogy.
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
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I saw the 3D version yesterday. Some of it is a little clunky, but in general it's pretty subtle (no big "reach out and touch it" shots) and just adds depth to some of the great set piece shots.
@MN5 the boys loved it. Mainly sad when the droid bought it (which sucked by the way, great character). But with all the action, they were wildly entertained. My youngest has been playing with his Star Wars figures non-stop since we got home (they slept in his bed with him) and the battle re-started a little after 6 this morning.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
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I actually felt like ANH was a composite of all of the original trilogy.
Droids, desert rat escapes with Han Solo, superfluous tentacle monster attack, father/son confrontation on a walkway over a massive drop, hero falls off, defeat sith lord with lightsaber, blow up the death star with combined air and land attack. Bang, 3 movies in 2 hour montage.
And i liked it. I will like it less if they don't go somewhere new with VIII now that they have set everything up.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
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Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
They got so much shit about the story being too similar to ANH they'd be mad to do it again. That said, there is going to have to be jedi training of Rey you'd assume. Going to be hard to make that too different, and a second act is usually the dark one, so again....
Up to them to exceed expectations.
I heard a great rumour that I'd love them to do, is that the story arc is Rey falling to the dark side and the redemption of Ben. Doubtfull but a fun idea.
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Agree with the moments of clunkyness but overall was very enjoyable and easily one of the better films in the Star Wars universe.
Superb tie in with past characters as well.
Great to see DV in action.
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Agree with the moments of clunkyness but overall was very enjoyable and easily one of the better films in the Star Wars universe.
Superb tie in with past characters as well.
Great to see DV in action.
What ever reshooots were needed it paid off big time.That 60 seconds of Darth Vader was worth the price of admission.
My son's has chucked the Clone Wars series back on (and currently watching SIth...) and they actually matched the DV rampage pretty well with the cartoon fighting style of Anakin. Nice attention to detail.
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@Virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Agree with the moments of clunkyness but overall was very enjoyable and easily one of the better films in the Star Wars universe.
Superb tie in with past characters as well.
Great to see DV in action.
What ever reshooots were needed it paid off big time.That 60 seconds of Darth Vader was worth the price of admission.
My son's has chucked the Clone Wars series back on (and currently watching SIth...) and they actually matched the DV rampage pretty well with the cartoon fighting style of Anakin. Nice attention to detail.
Never gotten into the spin off series like Rebels etc
Couldn't see a lot of sense with the Saw G part, unless a lot was cut out it seemed unnecessary.
Also noticed a few scenes missing from the main trailers.
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
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@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
They got so much shit about the story being too similar to ANH they'd be mad to do it again. That said, there is going to have to be jedi training of Rey you'd assume. Going to be hard to make that too different, and a second act is usually the dark one, so again....
Up to them to exceed expectations.
I heard a great rumour that I'd love them to do, is that the story arc is Rey falling to the dark side and the redemption of Ben. Doubtfull but a fun idea.
Luke had to train in order to fight daddy dearest. Rey has no sith lord to confront, just that pussy Ben. Luke would appear to be less willing to teach than obi wan or yoda. There is enough opportunity to do things differently, if they're bold enough
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
If Ep 8 is just another ESB reboot then I will be unhappy. If they go off on some exciting new tangent then Ep7 will be regarded as Kirwan suggests, a necessary re-introduction to the franchise for fans old and new
They got so much shit about the story being too similar to ANH they'd be mad to do it again. That said, there is going to have to be jedi training of Rey you'd assume. Going to be hard to make that too different, and a second act is usually the dark one, so again....
Up to them to exceed expectations.
I heard a great rumour that I'd love them to do, is that the story arc is Rey falling to the dark side and the redemption of Ben. Doubtfull but a fun idea.
Luke had to train in order to fight daddy dearest. Rey has no sith lord to confront, just that pussy Ben. Luke would appear to be less willing to teach than obi wan or yoda. There is enough opportunity to do things differently, if they're bold enough
The thing that R1 seems to have proven is that a dark SW film makes money, so it's not just a the kids market they have to cater to anymore.
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@MN5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Took my boys on Saturday and it takes a lot to keep a six and right year old glued to a screen for more than a coupl of hours. This flick accomplished that and then some. Future mrs MN5 said it was the best Star Wars she's seen and I've made her sit through them all. I think that in itself speaks volumes although naturally there are a few esteemed 'critics' who marked it low because there's obviously not enough Reasons and Rattues in the world....
Fucken awesome on second viewing as expected....
Did admiral akbars fish faced cousin die at the end when the shop was boarded? I assume he did.
Also @Rancid-Schnitzel it was definitely a victory....they got the plans even though so many of them died.
@mariner4life did your boys love it as much as mine?
I find the image of Akbar's green relative tied to a chair getting the brass nuckle treatment to be absolutely hilarious.
In terms of objectives, I guess it was a win but only if those plans get to their target. They were far from safe at the start of ANH.
My kids enjoyed the film, but all the main characters getting killed is pretty tough on them. I can't recall a film from my childhood when every single one of the heroes dies.
I think I mentioned it above, but how funny was the death of the pie-eating Red 5? Fark that had me in tears.
The death thing concerned me a bit but then if you think about it in the whole saga Han, Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Qui Gonn etc all bagged it on screen so my boys are used to loads of their hero's not making it.
Too early to say where it sits in the Star Wars echelon.....but did anyone NOT think it was heaps better than TFA?
Hey, Yoda died of old age.
I guess the difference here is that we just got introduced to the characters and then they bought it. Another film or 2 would have been nice. Every single one of them got wasted as well. Even Green Akbar apparently.
IMHO this film highlighted just how shit and unoriginal TFA was.
Now now...Star Wars, like sex and pizza, is never 'shit'...some is better than others that's all.
It's probably a toss up between TFA and TPM for 'worst' Star Wars movies in my opinion but in saying that they're both still fucken decent which sums up the series as a whole. In no way do they slum it with the worst of Indiana Jones, Jaws, Alien etc.
My apologies. Shit is relative in the SW universe. As ordinary as the prequels were (not 3, that was cool), they were at least original. TFA was a soft reboot.
Only if you focus on the Starkiller Base, otherwise it's not that similar. The purpose of TFA was to draw a line under the prequels, set up the new characters and the mysteries of the new story.
For example, where is Luke and why has he vanished. Who is Rey. Who are the Knights of Ren and Snoke? None of which are anything to do with A New Hope.
I think of it as more of a reintroduction that a soft reboot. All that goes out the window if they just remake Empire Strikes Back for Episode 8, but I'm hopeful that they have laid the foundation they need to tell new stories now.
There might be new elements and characters but the plot and important features of the film were a direct ripoff of E4. Everything from hiding plans in droid, to race against time to protect droid from baddies, desert rat who becomes a Jedi, and of course the much much bigger Death Star etc etc.
And as I mentioned R1, RoTJ and TFA all reuse elements of past Star Wars films.
The main plot arc of TFA was not StarKiller base, it was finding Luke. The base was just the excuse for the battle, and had more creativity than Return of the Jedi which was literally just another Death Star.
It's a weird thing to complain about now that there have been four Star Wars movies ending with battles over planet killing bases. It's just the excuse for the Star Wars bit in the title. Five if you include the Death Star skeleton shown at the end of Sith.
Of course they reuse elements. It's the same story. But TFA just took the plot of ANH and changed it up a bit. Even casual fans have commented on how similar they are. ROTJ won't win prizes for originality by having another Death Star but other than that it was much different to the first 2. In fact there was a shit ton of new stuff in Jedi and it was nothing like a retelling of ANH.
And there was plenty of new stuff in TFAs as well.
Yes, interspersed with basically the entire plot and main features of ANH, right down to the bar scene.
I have heard the reasoning behind this but I don't think it was necessary to steal so much to set the stage for VIII. In terms of creativity and plot, it was easily the worst SW. Actually probably on par with the Trade Federation crap.
