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  • StargazerS Stargazer

    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

    @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

    Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

    "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

    One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

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    @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

    @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

    @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

    Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

    "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

    One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

    and yet he keeps getting picked...

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    • StargazerS Stargazer

      @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

      @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

      Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

      "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

      One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

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      #1191

      @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

      @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

      @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

      Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

      "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

      One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

      Don't want to keep White Knighting Savea but his form in black has been fine. He ripped the Wallabies a new one at Eden Park to ensure we took the record consecutive test wins when they were seriously pushing us that game - or have you forgotten that already?

      Canes fans can feel a bit aggrieved at his form in 2015, but other then that he's been pretty solid. 'Solid' isn't good enough for Savea detractors though, if he's not playing like Lomu reincarnated then he should be dropped.

      There's also the obvious point that the AB selectors want at least one strong ball runner in their back three to compliment two fullbacks, so he's really competing with Naholo who has been inconsistent at best in black.

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      • StargazerS Stargazer

        @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

        @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

        Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

        "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

        One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

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        @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

        One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

        That's going to be interesting as even though it's been signalled that Jordie will be used as a FB for the Canes he's not guaranteed to start with NMS, Savea and Jane as other options in the back three.

        DMac will be at FB for the Chiefs again this season but I'm sure he'll be moved to 1st 5 in 2018 to replace Cruden.

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          #1193

          A few more current All Blacks whose contracts expire in 2017:
          Coltman, Liam
          Crotty, Ryan
          Fekitoa, Malakai
          Kerr-Barlow, Tawera
          Luatua, Steven
          Perenara, TJ
          Read, Kieran
          Squire, Liam
          Tamanivalu, Seta
          Whitelock, Sam

          And a few on the (wider) fringes:
          Bird, Dominic
          Elliott, Hika
          Franklin, Tom
          Jane, Cory (to retire?)
          Hames, Kane
          Parsons, James
          Weber, Brad

          Or did I forget to write down a re-signing?

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            Although seen as a long term centre, Rieko could also be an option for a power winger in the back 3 in the short term.

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

              @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

              @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

              Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

              "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

              One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

              and yet he keeps getting picked...

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              Nepia
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              #1195

              @taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:

              @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

              @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

              @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

              Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

              "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

              One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

              and yet he keeps getting picked...

              Savea is exactly the same on my PS4 team as he is in real life (well last couple of seasons as opposed to the Rolls Royce version of before). Has average games but because he's on the wing he scores tries from run ins and gains lots of metres before bumbling in to a tackler, so statistically he looks awesome.

              TBF, the creators of the game gave him really shit stats that he didn't deserve, Zac Guildford is better at beating players in the game than Savea is.

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                #1196

                Well if PS4 Savea is out of form then that settles it.

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                • No QuarterN No Quarter

                  Well if PS4 Savea is out of form then that settles it.

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                  #1197

                  @No-Quarter said in Super Rugby News:

                  Well if PS4 Savea is out of form then that settles it.

                  Yep, we also need to select Cory Jane on the wing, Ardie Savea at 8 (shout out to Canes4Life), the 19 year old and 22 year old Cullen and Umaga I've created - and Hugh Renton at 7 who actually plays ok and isn't constantly injured.

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                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                    A few more current All Blacks whose contracts expire in 2017:
                    Coltman, Liam
                    Crotty, Ryan
                    Fekitoa, Malakai
                    Kerr-Barlow, Tawera
                    Luatua, Steven
                    Perenara, TJ
                    Read, Kieran
                    Squire, Liam
                    Tamanivalu, Seta
                    Whitelock, Sam

                    And a few on the (wider) fringes:
                    Bird, Dominic
                    Elliott, Hika
                    Franklin, Tom
                    Jane, Cory (to retire?)
                    Hames, Kane
                    Parsons, James
                    Weber, Brad

                    Or did I forget to write down a re-signing?

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                    #1198

                    @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                    A few more current All Blacks whose contracts expire in 2017:
                    Whitelock, Sam

                    A relatively important name one would think. More important than Smith and Dagg for me.

                    Read too - but let's face it he isn't giving up the captaincy and will return.

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                    • rotatedR rotated

                      @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                      A few more current All Blacks whose contracts expire in 2017:
                      Whitelock, Sam

                      A relatively important name one would think. More important than Smith and Dagg for me.

                      Read too - but let's face it he isn't giving up the captaincy and will return.

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                      @rotated Yes, that's why I wondered whether my list is up-to-date. I can't find anything more recent than a Crusaders media release from October 2013 saying that Whitelock and Read had re-signed "through until the end of the 2017 season".

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                        #1200

                        There was a list of contract dates in the Herald not long back. I'll try and find it later today

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                          #1201

                          A recent article about Ben Smith's re-signing said that Whitelock and Cane's contract expires this year. Read as well.

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                            Let's hope he's right πŸ™‚

                            Hansen nevertheless anticipated that Read and Crusaders lock Sam Whitelock would soon sign on the dotted line as senior All Blacks and leaders.

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                              According to stuff from Sept 4, Players off contract in 2017:

                              Kieran Read, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Cory Jane, Israel Dagg, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith, Charlie Faumuina, Sam Cane, Steven Luatua, Malakai Fekitoa, Hikawera Elliot, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, James Broadhurst, Tawera Kerr Barlow, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo, Brad Weber, Charlie Ngatai and Ryan Crotty

                              http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/83859809/All-Blacks-captain-Kieran-Read-close-to-signing-new-deal-through-to-World-Cup)

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                              • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

                                @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

                                Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

                                "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

                                One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

                                Don't want to keep White Knighting Savea but his form in black has been fine. He ripped the Wallabies a new one at Eden Park to ensure we took the record consecutive test wins when they were seriously pushing us that game - or have you forgotten that already?

                                Canes fans can feel a bit aggrieved at his form in 2015, but other then that he's been pretty solid. 'Solid' isn't good enough for Savea detractors though, if he's not playing like Lomu reincarnated then he should be dropped.

                                There's also the obvious point that the AB selectors want at least one strong ball runner in their back three to compliment two fullbacks, so he's really competing with Naholo who has been inconsistent at best in black.

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                                @No-Quarter said in Super Rugby News:

                                @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

                                @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

                                Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

                                "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

                                One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

                                Don't want to keep White Knighting Savea but his form in black has been fine. He ripped the Wallabies a new one at Eden Park to ensure we took the record consecutive test wins when they were seriously pushing us that game - or have you forgotten that already?

                                Canes fans can feel a bit aggrieved at his form in 2015, but other then that he's been pretty solid. 'Solid' isn't good enough for Savea detractors though, if he's not playing like Lomu reincarnated then he should be dropped.

                                There's also the obvious point that the AB selectors want at least one strong ball runner in their back three to compliment two fullbacks, so he's really competing with Naholo who has been inconsistent at best in black.

                                Quoted so it gets reiterated.

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                                  Re Tuipolutu ... so which doping Oirish steroid brute did his A Sample get swapped with?

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                                    Kieran Read close to re-signing. Not really a surprise, of course, but still great to have the skip in NZ for a few more years.

                                    "I'll be staying through the next World Cup and all going well I'll get that signed off soon. There's are a different options within your contract and things just needs to be sorted out."
                                    

                                    Also interesting what he says about his wrist injury.

                                    Radio Sport with Kieran Read and Stephen Perofeta:
                                    http://www.radiosport.co.nz/on-air/radio-sport-breakfast/video/kieran-read-injuries-luatua-and-future-contracts/

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                                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                                      Kieran Read close to re-signing. Not really a surprise, of course, but still great to have the skip in NZ for a few more years.

                                      "I'll be staying through the next World Cup and all going well I'll get that signed off soon. There's are a different options within your contract and things just needs to be sorted out."
                                      

                                      Also interesting what he says about his wrist injury.

                                      Radio Sport with Kieran Read and Stephen Perofeta:
                                      http://www.radiosport.co.nz/on-air/radio-sport-breakfast/video/kieran-read-injuries-luatua-and-future-contracts/

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                                      @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                      Kieran Read close to re-signing. Not really a surprise, of course, but still great to have the skip in NZ for a few more years.

                                      To be honest no one will want to be the first modern AB captain (or maybe first ever) to walk out on the job when the selectors still want them.

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                                      • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                        @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                        @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

                                        @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

                                        Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

                                        "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

                                        One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

                                        Don't want to keep White Knighting Savea but his form in black has been fine. He ripped the Wallabies a new one at Eden Park to ensure we took the record consecutive test wins when they were seriously pushing us that game - or have you forgotten that already?

                                        Canes fans can feel a bit aggrieved at his form in 2015, but other then that he's been pretty solid. 'Solid' isn't good enough for Savea detractors though, if he's not playing like Lomu reincarnated then he should be dropped.

                                        There's also the obvious point that the AB selectors want at least one strong ball runner in their back three to compliment two fullbacks, so he's really competing with Naholo who has been inconsistent at best in black.

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                                        @No-Quarter said in Super Rugby News:

                                        @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                        @Bovidae said in Super Rugby News:

                                        @Stargazer Wishful thinking as a Hawke's Bay fan. 😁

                                        Savea will be picked if in decent form so it's between NMS and Dagg for the no.14 jersey. NMS has only ever played on the right wing for the ABs.

                                        "in decent form" being the operative words. Savea hasn't had that form for a long time. Naholo hasn't been convincing either.

                                        One thing is clear, with Jordie also in the mix, Dmac will probably get few chances in black.

                                        Don't want to keep White Knighting Savea but his form in black has been fine. He ripped the Wallabies a new one at Eden Park to ensure we took the record consecutive test wins when they were seriously pushing us that game - or have you forgotten that already?

                                        Canes fans can feel a bit aggrieved at his form in 2015, but other then that he's been pretty solid. 'Solid' isn't good enough for Savea detractors though, if he's not playing like Lomu reincarnated then he should be dropped.

                                        There's also the obvious point that the AB selectors want at least one strong ball runner in their back three to compliment two fullbacks, so he's really competing with Naholo who has been inconsistent at best in black.

                                        Savea was poor for most of 2015 and 2016 with a few good games thrown in. I think he only kept his place because of NMS being injured and Naholo hasn't looked too great either. The thing about Savea is that he has to be in beast mode. The other aspects of his game like his ability under the high ball and his defence really haven't developed enough over the past two seasons. He is only in the team as an attacking threat. A solid Savea simply isn't good enough.

                                        Savea wasn't brilliant at Eden Park. He scored one try after a kick chase which I would expect most wingers to score. His second try was good as was his work for the Coles try but we were 15 points up by that stage. That was probably Savea's best game last season as well.

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                                          Savea is not too far of howletts try record I think. Something must be going right...

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