Six Nations 2017
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Well that was certainly a more interesting game than I thought it would be. Fair play to Italy for trying something different and it certainly worked for most of the game. Pretty disappointing to see how slow England were to react, when they should really have started trucking it up the middle as soon as it became clear what was going on. Eddie should just smile and turn the other cheek after the game and any calls for changes to the law are a touch on the hysterical side. Despite the scoreline, England definitely failed the thinking under pressure test in that first half especially.
That said I think Italy were pretty lucky to get away with a ref approaching it very sympathetically. There had obviously been discussions with Poite before the game at their intentions (which is fair enough), but I think he got a little caught up in the fun. Italy used the tactic at pretty much every tackle that wasn't on their line and only got pinged once (when the player shadowing the 9 attempted to charge a box kick) from memory. There were several occasions where an Italian seemed to engage briefly creating a ruck, before backing off as players flooded round. A few penalties probably would have kept them a little more honest and watching the Chiefs using the tactic (more sporadically) a few seasons ago, I seem to remember refs being a lot stricter on potential infringements.
All good fun though
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@booboo said in Six Nations 2017:
Re the offside line at the tackle didn't we try that with the ELVs? Got kiboshed IIRC
Apologies, I misunderstood your post earlier. My memory has been prodded and you are correct.
What the Twickenham Old Farts are now considering asking WR to do is one of the ELVs they so vehemently opposed.
That particular one didn't work though. It basically meant that once a player made a break and was, say tackled by the last defensive player, he could throw the ball loosely back and no one but his teammates could take possession.
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@booboo said in Six Nations 2017:
Re the offside line at the tackle didn't we try that with the ELVs? Got kiboshed IIRC
Apologies, I misunderstood your post earlier. My memory has been prodded and you are correct.
What the Twickenham Old Farts are now considering asking WR to do is one of the ELVs they so vehemently opposed.
That particular one didn't work though. It basically meant that once a player made a break and was, say tackled by the last defensive player, he could throw the ball loosely back and no one but his teammates could take possession.
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@booboo said in Six Nations 2017:
Re the offside line at the tackle didn't we try that with the ELVs? Got kiboshed IIRC
Apologies, I misunderstood your post earlier. My memory has been prodded and you are correct.
What the Twickenham Old Farts are now considering asking WR to do is one of the ELVs they so vehemently opposed.
That particular one didn't work though. It basically meant that once a player made a break and was, say tackled by the last defensive player, he could throw the ball loosely back and no one but his teammates could take possession.
@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
That particular one didn't work though. It basically meant that once a player made a break and was, say tackled by the last defensive player, he could throw the ball loosely back and no one but his teammates could take possession.
Yup, that was the first thing I thought of when people started talking about rule changes. Here is a good example of the unintended consequences:
http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/03/414/the-offside-line-at-the-tackle-under-the-elvs
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@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
That particular one didn't work though. It basically meant that once a player made a break and was, say tackled by the last defensive player, he could throw the ball loosely back and no one but his teammates could take possession.
Yup, that was the first thing I thought of when people started talking about rule changes. Here is a good example of the unintended consequences:
http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/03/414/the-offside-line-at-the-tackle-under-the-elvs
@Duluth Excellent example of unintended consequences. For all Eddie Jones' reputation as a thinker of the game, that one change would ruin rugby.
And that's what he was calling for, because his players were too thick to pick and go and offload to beat the Italians.
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Has been an interesting tournament so far. England have Scotland and Ireland to finish and neither will be easy games. The Dublin game could well be the ambush 2011 was when Sexton and Co put a grand slam seeking English side to the sword, winning emphatically.
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Has been an interesting tournament so far. England have Scotland and Ireland to finish and neither will be easy games. The Dublin game could well be the ambush 2011 was when Sexton and Co put a grand slam seeking English side to the sword, winning emphatically.
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
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@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone. -
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone.@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
** I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone.**Whilst I would be ecstatic if that were to happen I don't think it will. Scotland will not be pushovers but I'd take England to sneak it due to the Twickenham factor - a plus for England and it must be a ton weight for Scotland. Ireland in Dublin though I feel will be a step too far for this particular England side. We might have taken it if we were playing like we did v Aus in the summer but not as we are now.
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@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
** I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone.**Whilst I would be ecstatic if that were to happen I don't think it will. Scotland will not be pushovers but I'd take England to sneak it due to the Twickenham factor - a plus for England and it must be a ton weight for Scotland. Ireland in Dublin though I feel will be a step too far for this particular England side. We might have taken it if we were playing like we did v Aus in the summer but not as we are now.
@Catogrande said in Six Nations 2017:
@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
** I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone.**Whilst I would be ecstatic if that were to happen I don't think it will. Scotland will not be pushovers but I'd take England to sneak it due to the Twickenham factor - a plus for England and it must be a ton weight for Scotland. Ireland in Dublin though I feel will be a step too far for this particular England side. We might have taken it if we were playing like we did v Aus in the summer but not as we are now.
That's all fine but do you know what day/time the victory parade is scheduled for?
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@Catogrande said in Six Nations 2017:
@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
** I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone.**Whilst I would be ecstatic if that were to happen I don't think it will. Scotland will not be pushovers but I'd take England to sneak it due to the Twickenham factor - a plus for England and it must be a ton weight for Scotland. Ireland in Dublin though I feel will be a step too far for this particular England side. We might have taken it if we were playing like we did v Aus in the summer but not as we are now.
That's all fine but do you know what day/time the victory parade is scheduled for?
@No-Quarter said in Six Nations 2017:
@Catogrande said in Six Nations 2017:
@Crucial said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Yes. England have been living on a great deal of luck (and poor opposition) in this tournament. It seems all you have to do is stay close and wait for the other team to implode or go to sleep.
Kudos to them for not doing the same I guess.
** I think though that they will probably find a good patch of form at the end and the record will be theirs alone.**Whilst I would be ecstatic if that were to happen I don't think it will. Scotland will not be pushovers but I'd take England to sneak it due to the Twickenham factor - a plus for England and it must be a ton weight for Scotland. Ireland in Dublin though I feel will be a step too far for this particular England side. We might have taken it if we were playing like we did v Aus in the summer but not as we are now.
That's all fine but do you know what day/time the victory parade is scheduled for?
We're more of an understated lap of honour just after a loss really.
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I do like this quote about England's performance the other day...
''At times it was like watching 15 Daleks stuck at the bottom of an unexpected staircase.''
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@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Cyprus have the record.
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Murray Kinsella's excellent analysis of the 'no ruck' situation.
http://www.the42.ie/italy-tackle-only-england-france-ireland-owens-3261610-Feb2017/
@Crucial Good summation.Thanks.
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@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Cyprus have the record.
@Frye said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Cyprus have the record.
Uh, yeah, that's right we were all in complete agreement that Cyprus have the record, England have a ways to go yet.
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@Frye said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Cyprus have the record.
Uh, yeah, that's right we were all in complete agreement that Cyprus have the record, England have a ways to go yet.
@No-Quarter said in Six Nations 2017:
@Frye said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Cyprus have the record.
Uh, yeah, that's right we were all in complete agreement that Cyprus have the record, England have a ways to go yet.
Consecutive win record streak : 18 - New Zealand
Consecutive win record streak*: 24 - Cyprus- that don't include all teams ranked above you
England, you are currently chasing Cyprus' record.
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@No-Quarter said in Six Nations 2017:
@Frye said in Six Nations 2017:
@taniwharugby said in Six Nations 2017:
@Rugger-Quizzes assuming the English beat the Scots at Twickers (doesnt look like the Scots have won there at all in the 6N* and not since 1983 in the 5N) the Dublin game will be to make a new win record wont it?
*Maybe 2017 is the year for the Scots!! What you say @MN5
Cyprus have the record.
Uh, yeah, that's right we were all in complete agreement that Cyprus have the record, England have a ways to go yet.
Consecutive win record streak : 18 - New Zealand
Consecutive win record streak*: 24 - Cyprus- that don't include all teams ranked above you
England, you are currently chasing Cyprus' record.
@Frye as the #1 team in the world, we can never have a streak on your condition (•that don't include all teams ranked above you)
I'm ok with them having the 'tiered' record.
Were plenty of games in our 18 where we didn't play that well and scraped through.
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@taniwharugby we're trying to bait the English blokes on here. No bites yet but I was hoping for something this evening.
