Chiefs v Blues
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Umm, when the All Blacks start the pre season later than the rest of the squad and you had a good performance the week before.
Take Luatua's foul play out of it and Tana's gameplay was on target. The score was close, and with the impact we saw in the last 30mins it's not inconceivable the Blues could have won.
As for your comment about Charlie, he's consistently outscrummed Franks for a few year now, but Hansen generally has to be forced into changes and that has left him stuck on the bench.
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
Umm, when the All Blacks start the pre season later than the rest of the squad and you had a good performance the week before.
As for your comment about Charlie, he's consistently outscrummed Franks for a few year now, but Hansen generally has to be forced into changes and that has left him stuck on the bench.
Laughable ... have you not watched any crusaders v blues games in the last few years?
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@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
Thing is, TJ's right.
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@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
Umm, when the All Blacks start the pre season later than the rest of the squad and you had a good performance the week before.
As for your comment about Charlie, he's consistently outscrummed Franks for a few year now, but Hansen generally has to be forced into changes and that has left him stuck on the bench.
Laughable ... have you not watched any crusaders v blues games in the last few years?
@SammyC said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
Umm, when the All Blacks start the pre season later than the rest of the squad and you had a good performance the week before.
As for your comment about Charlie, he's consistently outscrummed Franks for a few year now, but Hansen generally has to be forced into changes and that has left him stuck on the bench.
Laughable ... have you not watched any crusaders v blues games in the last few years?
Scrum is more than one person, Charlie has been scrummaging great with the ABs for a few years now. Franks has dropped off over the same period.
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apparently there was a trial game just recently and the blues forwards gave the chiefs a bit of a touch up in all aspects ,
I wonder if that helped to create a false sense of security within the camp
@kiwiinmelb said in Chiefs v Blues:
apparently there was a trial game just recently and the blues forwards gave the chiefs a bit of a touch up in all aspects ,
I wonder if that helped to create a false sense of security within the camp
The Blues beat the Chiefs in a pre-season game last year as well.
As I mentioned early in the thread the Chiefs definitely weren't happy with their scrum and overall performance in the pre-season game. As I understand it, most of the problem in the scrum was due to Manu dominating Laulala. Also Brayden Mitchell played at hooker so the return of Hika also helped. Often your attitude around the field is linked to your set piece performance.
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@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
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@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
I think TJ is anti anyone who isn't the All Blacks, Crusaders, Ta$man, Canterbury or Malborough.
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@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
No, he ruins any Auckland or Blues game he gets. He got ganged up on with this game though, was more tolerable.
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Rewatching this with a bit more ahem clarity than last night ...
... haven't read the thread but SURELY when TKB "lost" the ball short of the line just after Luatua's brain fade that should have been a penalty try? Nanae had no right to dive into the tackle in the field of play. He was offside, off his feet, deliberately knocking the ball forward. Shocking decision (or non decision).
@booboo said in Chiefs v Blues:
Rewatching this with a bit more ahem clarity than last night ...
... haven't read the thread but SURELY when TKB "lost" the ball short of the line just after Luatua's brain fade that should have been a penalty try? Nanae had no right to dive into the tackle in the field of play. He was offside, off his feet, deliberately knocking the ball forward. Shocking decision (or non decision).
I thought exactly the same thing as I'm not sure how Skeen (TMO) came to the conclusion that TKB lost the ball forward. Nanai dislodged the ball out of TKB's hands and the ball travels sideways or backwards (but not forwards). You could also make a case that Cowley-Tuioti picked up the ball from an offside position as well. All in all it seemed the officials got that completely wrong based on the video evidence.
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@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
I knew as soon as they announced John Kirwan as co-commentator the Blues were farked...
It was great to have two pro Blues commentators to even out the pathetic anti Blues dross that TJ spits out. Kept him honest for a change.
I haven't watched a replay of the game yet but TJ has always been anti-Chiefs so I'd have thought he was favouring the Blues?
Unfortunately I could hear the commentators while listening to the refs mic on Sports Ears so that was annoying.
I think TJ is anti anyone who isn't the All Blacks, Crusaders, Ta$man, Canterbury or Malborough.
@Nepia said in Chiefs v Blues:
I think TJ is anti anyone who isn't the All Blacks, Crusaders, Ta$man, Canterbury or Malborough.
And there I was, wondering about my final choice for best ever dinner guests.
So it's Nelson Mandela, Raquel Welch, Charlize Theron and TJ.
Just pipe down about 1973 and Marlborough, TJ - it's a long time ago and one swallow does not make a summer.
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This is what I meant before. Yes, stupid act but very good chance that last year it wouldn't have got more than 10 minutes. By raising the on field punishment to a RC it means it goes to the judicial lottery and results in a massive leap in time off.
I get the whole 'protect the head' thing, I just think that this is either a massive over reach or that previously no one cared. That's the punishment gulf indication anyway. -
I do think all things being equal the punishment is harsh.
However - there was absolutely no need for what he did - late high and completely off the ball. He wasnt unlucky - it was a complete brain snap.
I just hope it doesnt mean players are going to dive etc.
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Bullshit. If he wasn't leaving the country he would have got 2
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Blues:
Bullshit. If he wasn't leaving the country he would have got 2
The off-topic section has a conspiracy theories thread...
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The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
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The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
@Stargazer said in Chiefs v Blues:
The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
Yep, that all makes sense. No conspiracy, just that the definition change has resulted in some instances rising from a 10 minute spell to a RC and baseline 4 weeks. That's a crazy jump in definition of dangerous.
It's the equivalent of dropping drink driving thresholds to minimal levels so someone that was previously considered worthy of a word of warning for being just under the limit is now banned from driving. -
Going to be a lot of players having holidays if that's the standard.
Nobody to blame but himself, but I'm willing to bet we won't see consistency for this sort of thing.
@Kirwan You got that right!
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs v Blues:
The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
Yep, that all makes sense. No conspiracy, just that the definition change has resulted in some instances rising from a 10 minute spell to a RC and baseline 4 weeks. That's a crazy jump in definition of dangerous.
It's the equivalent of dropping drink driving thresholds to minimal levels so someone that was previously considered worthy of a word of warning for being just under the limit is now banned from driving.@Crucial I agree. What's important too is whether the ref considers contact with the head accidental (minimum sanction: penalty) or reckless (minimum YC, maximum RC), but even then, I assume the Citing Commissioner will be able to cite a player if he doesn't agree with the ref's assessment that a tackle is 'only' accidental. It's here where the inconsistencies may come in. You can also count on it that you're more likely to get red in the NH than in the SH.
