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Hurricanes v Highlanders

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    BFA back a bit early I thought ... made some big mistakes.

    Gardner is a truly outstanding referee.

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      While watching the game last night, I couldn't help but hope that Gardner is one of the 3 refs used in the Lions series. I rate him highly and I suppose it's between him, Peyper, Garces and Poite for the test appointments. Maybe Joubert is still in the mix.

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        While watching the game last night, I couldn't help but hope that Gardner is one of the 3 refs used in the Lions series. I rate him highly and I suppose it's between him, Peyper, Garces and Poite for the test appointments. Maybe Joubert is still in the mix.

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        I love the way he uses his head as well as the rules.

        The perenara tackle and Barrett rulings were dealt with spot on.

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          yeah he manages the game and players pretty well, told TJP to pipe down a couple of times last night when he was getting a bit lippy 🙂

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            I think I need to mention for the 5th or 6th time that Ardie was bloody good at 8. Really bloody good. With KR getting on a bit, we could be seeing a very worthy successor.

            Hopefully that wasn't just a one-off.

            Again, I'm a broken record, but if Jordie keeps this up he has to be an AB this year. He won't start obviously, but would be gold off the bench.

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              I think I need to mention for the 5th or 6th time that Ardie was bloody good at 8. Really bloody good. With KR getting on a bit, we could be seeing a very worthy successor.

              Hopefully that wasn't just a one-off.

              Again, I'm a broken record, but if Jordie keeps this up he has to be an AB this year. He won't start obviously, but would be gold off the bench.

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              @Rancid-Schnitzel I still have concerns over Ardie's lack of size at the highest level. Last year we saw a drop off in physicality when Cane was replaced by Ardie. Hansen wants him to add another 5kgs and I think he may be right. He needs to get bigger if he wants to dominate at test level.

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                @Rancid-Schnitzel I still have concerns over Ardie's lack of size at the highest level. Last year we saw a drop off in physicality when Cane was replaced by Ardie. Hansen wants him to add another 5kgs and I think he may be right. He needs to get bigger if he wants to dominate at test level.

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                @akan004 said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                @Rancid-Schnitzel I still have concerns over Ardie's lack of size at the highest level. Last year we saw a drop off in physicality when Cane was replaced by Ardie. Hansen wants him to add another 5kgs and I think he may be right. He needs to get bigger if he wants to dominate at test level.

                What are his stats compared to Rodney S? I agree that the physicality factor drops when he replaces Cane, but what if they're on the park at the same time?

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                  @akan004 said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                  @Rancid-Schnitzel I still have concerns over Ardie's lack of size at the highest level. Last year we saw a drop off in physicality when Cane was replaced by Ardie. Hansen wants him to add another 5kgs and I think he may be right. He needs to get bigger if he wants to dominate at test level.

                  What are his stats compared to Rodney S? I agree that the physicality factor drops when he replaces Cane, but what if they're on the park at the same time?

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                  @Rancid-Schnitzel I think Rodders was 106-108, while Ardie is around the 100 mark. Ardie will get bigger as he gets older, and come 2019 he might be the perfect back up to Read. We do need to find a back up eight though, I do agree with that. I think it's the one position where we have very little depth in NZ atm.

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                    Ardie is just gradually moving into the midfield. Next stop will be as a 6'10 halfback.

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                      Ardie is just gradually moving into the midfield. Next stop will be as a 6'10 halfback.

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                      @Crucial He will need time to grow his hair.

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                        it may not be so much a permanent move to 8 , but increasing his value by being more of a utility , particularly from the bench

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                          Anyone else pick up Jordies issue's in the tackle. His technique seems off and was only just fortunate a couple times there with glancing efforts just doing enough. Outside of that though he has a hell of a lot of upside to him.

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                            Anyone else pick up Jordies issue's in the tackle. His technique seems off and was only just fortunate a couple times there with glancing efforts just doing enough. Outside of that though he has a hell of a lot of upside to him.

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                            @Rembrandt said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                            Anyone else pick up Jordies issue's in the tackle. His technique seems off and was only just fortunate a couple times there with glancing efforts just doing enough. Outside of that though he has a hell of a lot of upside to him.

                            Yes, I noticed it as well. His tackling should be a big work-on, but other than that, what a talent!

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                              Hmmm, so can Scott and Kane (is he the other Barrett?) tackle? As much credit as Smiley gets for producing his boys he gets a big negative for their defensive abilities. I assume some time in the ABs will iron out JB deficiencies like they mostly did with BB.

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                                @Rembrandt said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                                Anyone else pick up Jordies issue's in the tackle. His technique seems off and was only just fortunate a couple times there with glancing efforts just doing enough. Outside of that though he has a hell of a lot of upside to him.

                                Yes, I noticed it as well. His tackling should be a big work-on, but other than that, what a talent!

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                                @Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                                @Rembrandt said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                                Anyone else pick up Jordies issue's in the tackle. His technique seems off and was only just fortunate a couple times there with glancing efforts just doing enough. Outside of that though he has a hell of a lot of upside to him.

                                Yes, I noticed it as well. His tackling should be a big work-on, but other than that, what a talent!

                                They used to say big bro Beauden was shit at tackling a while ago. No problem!!

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                                  Now I have no clue about tackling people from behind as I have never been fast enough to catch anyone, but seems like both BB and JB have no issue with getting guys from behind but mostly front on by getting caught on a slightly bad body position/on their heels(now that is something I know about haha) BB less so nowadays.

                                  Reckon Jordie, being a big lad, will get good enough coaching to fix any impending flaws in his game.

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                                    Hmmm, so can Scott and Kane (is he the other Barrett?) tackle? As much credit as Smiley gets for producing his boys he gets a big negative for their defensive abilities. I assume some time in the ABs will iron out JB deficiencies like they mostly did with BB.

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                                    @Nepia said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:

                                    Hmmm, so can Scott and Kane (is he the other Barrett?) tackle? As much credit as Smiley gets for producing his boys he gets a big negative for their defensive abilities. I assume some time in the ABs will iron out JB deficiencies like they mostly did with BB.

                                    There are 5 Barrett sons and 3 younger daughters. Kane is the eldest (played for the Blues, but had stop playing due to serious injury), then Beauden, Scott and Jordie. Not sure whether Blake Barrett (who, I think, has played age-grade rep rugby in Taranaki, but didn't make it to NPC level) is older or younger than Scott. Scott's tackle success rate is definitely higher, much higher, than Beauden en Jordie's, but could be a bit better compared to the best NZ locks.

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                                    As far as they mean anything, their Super Rugby stats for tackle success rate thus far:
                                    Scott 82.8%, Beauden 56.3%, Jordie 36.4%;
                                    other full-backs: DMac 94.1%, Dagg 83.3%, Collins 71.4%, BFA 66.7%
                                    other first-fives: West 81.8%, Cruden 77.1%, Hunt 76.9%, Sopoaga 75%
                                    other locks: Fatialofa 92.3%, Retallick 88.6%, Whitelock 87.5%, Bird 86.1%
                                    Team averages: Blues 86.1%, Highlanders 85.7%, Hurricanes 85.6%, Crusaders 84.7% and Chiefs 83.4%

                                    Source: Opta

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                                      There were a few technical flaws in Jordies defence but they can be ironed out , the positive part about his defence , for a kid he has an aggressive attitude to tackling

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                                        Looking at the highlights again he is an absolute giant compared to the other backs. Kinda like a gangly teenager who hasn't quite grown into his body yet.

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                                          Looking at the highlights again he is an absolute giant compared to the other backs. Kinda like a gangly teenager who hasn't quite grown into his body yet.

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                                          @Rembrandt He looks much larger than Beaudy

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