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JC

@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Crucial People may not agree with it but a school can set their own standards and if a student wants to go there then they know that going in.

Sure they can. But what's the point of making rules that serve no purpose other than to make people groom a particular way? Uniforms I can see the point of. Hairstyles, not so much. When you're not at school you don't have to wear the uniform, but you still have the hair the school said you have to have. And for what?

As for change in society - there are a number of schools in Auckland where she can send her kid which will allow him to have his hair long.

True. But this one is his local school. The one our taxes pay to take him.

Rancid Schnitzel

Considering some of the haircuts at my sons' school I can kind of understand why they have standards in place elsewhere. Some of them are appalling. No rats tails thank God, but plenty of buzz cut around the side with fringe down to chin. My son walks to school with a kid who uses one of those devices to straighten out his fringe every morning. That's after he's washed and shampooed it. It looks farking ridiculous.

Things sure have changed. I remember at school photos that not a single kid had a comb, let alone gel or whatever other shit they put in their hair these days. Then again that was in the middle of grunge and half the kids wore flannos on plain clothes day.

Bones

@Rancid-Schnitzel hah that reminds me of the first time I went to a gym in the UK. Used to seeing one ratty old iron and ironing board in the gents locker room, i jumped in the men's locker room over here and had to double check i was in the right place after i was confronted with a long stand up dressing table type scenario with multiple mirrors, lights and hair dryers.

Nepia

@JC I'm sure there are other local high schools in the grammar zone that he can attend - it's not the only one, the zone is fairly big. At any rate, the school will happily take him if he abides by the school rules.

Crucial

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

I have lived in the grammar zone for most of the last 20 years and regardless of whether their kids are suited to the school or not parents crawl over broken glass to rent the kind of tiny flat this lady said she lets just so their sons can go to grammar. This feels like a beat up, the kid is 11 so at least two years away from even attending high school. This is not about education, mummy's got an axe to grind

and the grand ma.

Like I said before inter generational attitude of 'fuck those who make up rules'

and that's a bad thing? I thought that's exactly how society progresses.

Sure, change demands must be debated and dismissed if shown to be not for the overall good but they should not just be dismissed out of hand by saying 'them's the rules, suck it up'

I agree with you about the squeaky wheel thing, I never meant anything other than questioning the right things at the right times. In this case I think they are doing just that. They are questioning the fairness and reasonableness of a rule that is forcing them to move house to get an education.

Yes, she has an axe to grind with the whole grandfather thing but somewhere along the line this type of school rule will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side. It is a matter of time before someone shouts long enough and hard enough.

Rancid Schnitzel

@Crucial said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

I have lived in the grammar zone for most of the last 20 years and regardless of whether their kids are suited to the school or not parents crawl over broken glass to rent the kind of tiny flat this lady said she lets just so their sons can go to grammar. This feels like a beat up, the kid is 11 so at least two years away from even attending high school. This is not about education, mummy's got an axe to grind

and the grand ma.

Like I said before inter generational attitude of 'fuck those who make up rules'

and that's a bad thing? I thought that's exactly how society progresses.

Sure, change demands must be debated and dismissed if shown to be not for the overall good but they should not just be dismissed out of hand by saying 'them's the rules, suck it up'

I agree with you about the squeaky wheel thing, I never meant anything other than questioning the right things at the right times. In this case I think they are doing just that. They are questioning the fairness and reasonableness of a rule that is forcing them to move house to get an education.

Yes, she has an axe to grind with the whole grandfather thing but somewhere along the line this type of school rule will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side. It is a matter of time before someone shouts long enough and hard enough.

Christ on a bike, it's just his haircut not his skin colour, gender or sexuality. The school has standards for the appearance of its students and obviously considers this to be important. That might be old fashioned and strict, but those are the rules and every one knows them before they enrol there.

At any rate, the kid needs a bloody haircut. He looks like farking Maria Sharapova.

canefan

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Crucial said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

I have lived in the grammar zone for most of the last 20 years and regardless of whether their kids are suited to the school or not parents crawl over broken glass to rent the kind of tiny flat this lady said she lets just so their sons can go to grammar. This feels like a beat up, the kid is 11 so at least two years away from even attending high school. This is not about education, mummy's got an axe to grind

and the grand ma.

Like I said before inter generational attitude of 'fuck those who make up rules'

and that's a bad thing? I thought that's exactly how society progresses.

Sure, change demands must be debated and dismissed if shown to be not for the overall good but they should not just be dismissed out of hand by saying 'them's the rules, suck it up'

I agree with you about the squeaky wheel thing, I never meant anything other than questioning the right things at the right times. In this case I think they are doing just that. They are questioning the fairness and reasonableness of a rule that is forcing them to move house to get an education.

Yes, she has an axe to grind with the whole grandfather thing but somewhere along the line this type of school rule will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side. It is a matter of time before someone shouts long enough and hard enough.

Christ on a bike, it's just his haircut not his skin colour, gender or sexuality. The school has standards for the appearance of its students and obviously considers this to be important. That might be old fashioned and strict, but those are the rules and every one knows them before they enrol there.

At any rate, the kid needs a bloody haircut. He looks like farking Maria Sharapova.

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I bet the dirty scamp isn't even vaccinated.....

Baron Silas Greenback

@Crucial said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

I have lived in the grammar zone for most of the last 20 years and regardless of whether their kids are suited to the school or not parents crawl over broken glass to rent the kind of tiny flat this lady said she lets just so their sons can go to grammar. This feels like a beat up, the kid is 11 so at least two years away from even attending high school. This is not about education, mummy's got an axe to grind

and the grand ma.

Like I said before inter generational attitude of 'fuck those who make up rules'

and that's a bad thing? I thought that's exactly how society progresses.

Sure, change demands must be debated and dismissed if shown to be not for the overall good but they should not just be dismissed out of hand by saying 'them's the rules, suck it up'

I agree with you about the squeaky wheel thing, I never meant anything other than questioning the right things at the right times. In this case I think they are doing just that. They are questioning the fairness and reasonableness of a rule that is forcing them to move house to get an education.

Yes, she has an axe to grind with the whole grandfather thing but somewhere along the line this type of school rule will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side. It is a matter of time before someone shouts long enough and hard enough.

It is to complex to say if that is a bad thing or a good thing, I think if it leads you to the point there you parade a minor on the national media because he doesn't want a haircut, yeah it is a bad thing.
Society doesnt progress because children dont want haircuts.
And you make an interesting assumption on the Bill of Rights. I disagree with it.

taniwharugby

@Crucial it would affect my son massively, if he didn't have a uniform coloured coat/jacket, he would get wet!

Tregaskis

I'm hoping Grammar will be lobbied in term 2 by libertarians to give the OK to a neck tattoo.

Crucial

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Crucial said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

I have lived in the grammar zone for most of the last 20 years and regardless of whether their kids are suited to the school or not parents crawl over broken glass to rent the kind of tiny flat this lady said she lets just so their sons can go to grammar. This feels like a beat up, the kid is 11 so at least two years away from even attending high school. This is not about education, mummy's got an axe to grind

and the grand ma.

Like I said before inter generational attitude of 'fuck those who make up rules'

and that's a bad thing? I thought that's exactly how society progresses.

Sure, change demands must be debated and dismissed if shown to be not for the overall good but they should not just be dismissed out of hand by saying 'them's the rules, suck it up'

I agree with you about the squeaky wheel thing, I never meant anything other than questioning the right things at the right times. In this case I think they are doing just that. They are questioning the fairness and reasonableness of a rule that is forcing them to move house to get an education.

Yes, she has an axe to grind with the whole grandfather thing but somewhere along the line this type of school rule will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side. It is a matter of time before someone shouts long enough and hard enough.

It is to complex to say if that is a bad thing or a good thing, I think if it leads you to the point there you parade a minor on the national media because he doesn't want a haircut, yeah it is a bad thing.
Society doesnt progress because children dont want haircuts.
And you make an interesting assumption on the Bill of Rights. I disagree with it.

Which assumption? That rules regarding hair possibly being at odds to the BoRs or that someone will have a crack on that basis?

This is what the judge in that other case said..."Justice David Collins concluded that any school would need to give "very careful consideration" as to whether any hair rule would breach a student's rights to "autonomy, individual dignity and his rights to freedom of expression" affirmed by s14 of the Bill of Human Rights Act.

He didn't need to go there and make that ruling though because the school's wording wasn't clear on its rules.

taniwharugby

I guess if a kiddie fiddler has rights about wearing a rug, a boy has the right to look like a girl.

Baron Silas Greenback

@Crucial said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Crucial said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

I have lived in the grammar zone for most of the last 20 years and regardless of whether their kids are suited to the school or not parents crawl over broken glass to rent the kind of tiny flat this lady said she lets just so their sons can go to grammar. This feels like a beat up, the kid is 11 so at least two years away from even attending high school. This is not about education, mummy's got an axe to grind

and the grand ma.

Like I said before inter generational attitude of 'fuck those who make up rules'

and that's a bad thing? I thought that's exactly how society progresses.

Sure, change demands must be debated and dismissed if shown to be not for the overall good but they should not just be dismissed out of hand by saying 'them's the rules, suck it up'

I agree with you about the squeaky wheel thing, I never meant anything other than questioning the right things at the right times. In this case I think they are doing just that. They are questioning the fairness and reasonableness of a rule that is forcing them to move house to get an education.

Yes, she has an axe to grind with the whole grandfather thing but somewhere along the line this type of school rule will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side. It is a matter of time before someone shouts long enough and hard enough.

It is to complex to say if that is a bad thing or a good thing, I think if it leads you to the point there you parade a minor on the national media because he doesn't want a haircut, yeah it is a bad thing.
Society doesnt progress because children dont want haircuts.
And you make an interesting assumption on the Bill of Rights. I disagree with it.

Which assumption? That rules regarding hair possibly being at odds to the BoRs or that someone will have a crack on that basis?

This is what the judge in that other case said..."Justice David Collins concluded that any school would need to give "very careful consideration" as to whether any hair rule would breach a student's rights to "autonomy, individual dignity and his rights to freedom of expression" affirmed by s14 of the Bill of Human Rights Act.

He didn't need to go there and make that ruling though because the school's wording wasn't clear on its rules.

Your assumption that the school would be on the losing side.

" will get challenged against the Bill of Rights and I think the schools will findthey are on the losing side"

jegga

Has Hillary Barry given us her thoughts on the hair debate yet?

MN5

@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:

Has Hillary Barry given us her thoughts on the hair debate yet?

She was pissed off that dog got shot cos being an expert she woulda handled it so much better obviously. I think Dame Susan Devoy could be the Hilary Barry of 2017. She has to stick her mush in everything and create a race war when there isn't one.