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  • A akan004

    It's now even harder for a NZ team to win it. The number of high intensity local derbies stays the same, but we won't get as many easy games against the foreign teams as we do now. I don't see how this has benefited NZ one bit. Should have gone back to the s12 format of each team playing each other once.

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    @akan004 said in Super Rugby News:

    It's now even harder for a NZ team to win it. The number of high intensity local derbies stays the same, but we won't get as many easy games against the foreign teams as we do now. I don't see how this has benefited NZ one bit. Should have gone back to the s12 format of each team playing each other once.

    With SA dropping 2 teams I would expect the quality of their teams to go up markedly. I also expect the Jaguares to be very good most years, once they get used to the travel and rigour of the competition.

    Australia dropping a team should result in a slight improvement in their teams. Unfortunately I don't hold out too much hope for the Sunwolves, but perhaps they'll get better.

    The NZ conference might not necessarily be the toughest one each year now. Good.

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      As an aside, they haven't actually named which sides will be dropped.

      Kings will no doubt be the first side retained. Sigh.

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      • A akan004

        It's now even harder for a NZ team to win it. The number of high intensity local derbies stays the same, but we won't get as many easy games against the foreign teams as we do now. I don't see how this has benefited NZ one bit. Should have gone back to the s12 format of each team playing each other once.

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        @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

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        • DamoD Damo

          @akan004 said in Super Rugby News:

          It's now even harder for a NZ team to win it. The number of high intensity local derbies stays the same, but we won't get as many easy games against the foreign teams as we do now. I don't see how this has benefited NZ one bit. Should have gone back to the s12 format of each team playing each other once.

          With SA dropping 2 teams I would expect the quality of their teams to go up markedly. I also expect the Jaguares to be very good most years, once they get used to the travel and rigour of the competition.

          Australia dropping a team should result in a slight improvement in their teams. Unfortunately I don't hold out too much hope for the Sunwolves, but perhaps they'll get better.

          The NZ conference might not necessarily be the toughest one each year now. Good.

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          @Damo although our conference being the toughest is better for our rugby long term though

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            I've never liked the home and away and don't want a return to it. I prefer seeing NZ teams play non NZ teams so I have no issues with who to cheer for.

            But, that's just me.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

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              @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:

              @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

              Didn't realise that. Makes it even worse. I thought the main gripe of the NZ players was that there were too many high intensity local derbies as it is. So the NZRU decides to bend over and add another couple.

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                there are gonna be plenty of nervy fellas in a few teams in Aus & SA, a few NH teams be looking on expecting to get some bargains as well.

                Although...

                https://thaicastle.co/2017/04/09/sanzaar-drop-nuts-expands-to-super-rugby-64-teams-in-2018/

                SANZAAR Drop Nuts – Expands To Super Rugby 64 Teams In 2018
                Posted on April 9, 2017 by thaicastle1 in Uncategorized // 0 Comments

                After weeks of deliberation about who to cut from Super Rugby SANZAAR has dropped its nuts. Instead of cutting three teams from Super Rugby they have decided to add 46 new franchises in 2018.

                SANZAAR president Jaco MakeMoMoney has told Thai Castle that the decision was relatively easy – “We thought long and hard and didn’t think that cutting teams would solve Super Rugby’s problems, so we were like why don’t we expand further and see if that makes the on-field product stronger.

                From a New Zealand stand point four new franchises have been added which include the Marist Under-12s, Liston College 3rd XV, Wellington Phoenix and an All Blacks Over 75 year old squad.

                NZ Rugby President Steve Tew said he was delighted to add the four new franchises saying that he thought they would add some real depth to New Zealand Rugby for generations to come.

                Wellington Phoenix coach Chris Greenacre told Thai Castle “When we heard the news we were added to Super Rugby we were pretty flattered. It will be hard playing in two professional sports leagues at once but the boys think there soccer skills will come in handy on the rugby field. I mean all they do is kick the ball.”

                The 64 team field has been split into 8 groups of 8 teams with each team playing 128 games in a 17 week span. The top first seeds from each group go to the best of 27 final series. With the remaining teams going into a survivor series were the team that loses the most games will tragically lose a limb at the discretion of SANZAAR officials.

                The new teams added are:

                Marist Under-12s

                Liston College 3rd XV

                Wellingtoin Phoenix

                All Blacks Over 75s

                Antarctica Frozen Peas

                Dargaville Dental Assistants

                Tottenham Hotspur

                Bermuda Triangle Titans

                Wedge Island Warriors

                Compton Stealers

                Donald Trump Wall Builders

                Norwegian No-Shows

                Kolkata Dayriders

                The Beatles

                Cleveland Cavaliers

                London Bridge Free Ballers

                French Frogleg Surprise

                The Paris Croissants

                The Glasgow Facepunches

                The Alice Springs Drymouths

                Queensland Bogans

                Tokyo Toyotas

                China Investor Squad

                Killa Bees

                Canada Chocalate Brownies

                Mexican Eses

                Zimbabwe Inflation

                North Korea Naughty Boys

                Pyongang Punishment

                Pacific Ocean Oceans

                Taj Mahal Revonators

                The Brexits

                The Barcelonas Ballsacks

                The Scunthorpe Scotos

                Canterbury Cum Stains

                Georgia Goochs

                North Pole Pole dancers

                Santas Little Helpers

                Colombia Narcos

                American Idol Winners Selection

                Ryan Seacrest Squad

                The Carb-dashians

                The Andrew Schultz’s

                The Kelekefus

                The Football Kings

                Auckland Blues 2

                Auckland Pooze

                Dubai Oillers

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                  There's going to be some busy agents around the place, lots of journeymen heading north too I suspect.

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                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                    @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

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                    @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:

                    @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

                    I like the NZ derbies. Also means less travel for our players.

                    I get the appeal of round robin, but from a selfish point of view I'll take more NZ derbies. It also means the games against the other conferences have some novelty appeal, like the Chiefs vs Stormers yesterday.

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                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                      @Damo although our conference being the toughest is better for our rugby long term though

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                      @taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:

                      @Damo although our conference being the toughest is better for our rugby long term though

                      Possibly in the medium term, but what is best for our long term future is the continued viability of Super Rugby. Having so many dud teams from SA and Aus was slowly killing Super Rugby.

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                      • DamoD Damo

                        @taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:

                        @Damo although our conference being the toughest is better for our rugby long term though

                        Possibly in the medium term, but what is best for our long term future is the continued viability of Super Rugby. Having so many dud teams from SA and Aus was slowly killing Super Rugby.

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                        #1545

                        @Damo Agree in the main - although (I as a dyed in the wool rugby supporter/diehard) - will watch all the SR games I can, I understand not everyone is the same, and admittedly some of the lop-sided results are not to everyone's palate and I can see why people might lose interest.

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                          I used to try and watch all games involving NZ teams ,

                          and now from an entertainment angle , its slowly evolved into trying to watch all NZ derbies

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                            Jamie Pandaram in the Tele here is naming Force, Kings, and Cheetahs as the victims.

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                              The Force decision kind of makes sense - that time zone is a bit of a dead spot, and the complaint about the travel from Perth is valid.

                              The fucking bullshit they had with sponsors in the early years, as well as the issues with attracting talent so far away from families - also valid.

                              Recruiting South Africans, to the point where some people were sniggering about "Perthfontein" shows that the whole development argument is a bit of a dud.

                              I found Paul Cully's tweet interesting:

                              https://twitter.com/whiskeycully/status/850986543250513921

                              There will be some circling for players, but not coaches - rookies at all franchises.

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                                Ffs. The biggest problem with super rugby isn't that there are a couple of shit teams. It's the stupid conference system and fucked up finals format where teams don't play the same opposition yet are put into a rankings table as if they do, then come finals time a team can have less points than others but gets a home final.

                                The new comp will be just as much of a joke. What is the point of over half the teams making the finals?
                                If you have to have conferences then keep them totally seperate and then have a knock out comp with the top 2 from each conference for the champions cup.

                                I fully expect more shit teams to be added and formats to change in another two years.

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                                • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                  @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:

                                  @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

                                  I like the NZ derbies. Also means less travel for our players.

                                  I get the appeal of round robin, but from a selfish point of view I'll take more NZ derbies. It also means the games against the other conferences have some novelty appeal, like the Chiefs vs Stormers yesterday.

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                                  @Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:

                                  @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:

                                  @akan004 Actually the nz derbies are increasing. Currently each nz team plays 6 derbies, from next year it will be 8.

                                  I like the NZ derbies. Also means less travel for our players.

                                  I get the appeal of round robin, but from a selfish point of view I'll take more NZ derbies. It also means the games against the other conferences have some novelty appeal, like the Chiefs vs Stormers yesterday.

                                  From what I remember, the last time we had 8 derbies a year the players didn't like them because they were the most intense matches on the calendar and as a result, led to more injuries.

                                  Increasing the local derbies makes it a shitload harder for NZ teams to make the final six, so I'm not a fan at all. Last year, where we had four teams in the final six, will probably never happen in the new structure.

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                                  • pukunuiP pukunui

                                    Ffs. The biggest problem with super rugby isn't that there are a couple of shit teams. It's the stupid conference system and fucked up finals format where teams don't play the same opposition yet are put into a rankings table as if they do, then come finals time a team can have less points than others but gets a home final.

                                    The new comp will be just as much of a joke. What is the point of over half the teams making the finals?
                                    If you have to have conferences then keep them totally seperate and then have a knock out comp with the top 2 from each conference for the champions cup.

                                    I fully expect more shit teams to be added and formats to change in another two years.

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                                    @pukunui said in Super Rugby News:

                                    Ffs. The biggest problem with super rugby isn't that there are a couple of shit teams. It's the stupid conference system and fucked up finals format where teams don't play the same opposition yet are put into a rankings table as if they do, then come finals time a team can have less points than others but gets a home final.

                                    The new comp will be just as much of a joke. What is the point of over half the teams making the finals?
                                    If you have to have conferences then keep them totally seperate and then have a knock out comp with the top 2 from each conference for the champions cup.

                                    I fully expect more shit teams to be added and formats to change in another two years.

                                    Give that man a cold beer!!:clap_tone5: :clap_tone5: That in a nutshell is exactly what is wrong with SR - the bloody format ie conference system is just crazy. Whatever happened to home and away FFS, something players and fans can understand.

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                                      The bean counters have truly lost their shit. The market is tapped out

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                                      • pukunuiP pukunui

                                        Ffs. The biggest problem with super rugby isn't that there are a couple of shit teams. It's the stupid conference system and fucked up finals format where teams don't play the same opposition yet are put into a rankings table as if they do, then come finals time a team can have less points than others but gets a home final.

                                        The new comp will be just as much of a joke. What is the point of over half the teams making the finals?
                                        If you have to have conferences then keep them totally seperate and then have a knock out comp with the top 2 from each conference for the champions cup.

                                        I fully expect more shit teams to be added and formats to change in another two years.

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                                        @pukunui said in Super Rugby News:

                                        Ffs. The biggest problem with super rugby isn't that there are a couple of shit teams. It's the stupid conference system and fucked up finals format where teams don't play the same opposition yet are put into a rankings table as if they do, then come finals time a team can have less points than others but gets a home final.

                                        The new comp will be just as much of a joke. What is the point of over half the teams making the finals?
                                        If you have to have conferences then keep them totally seperate and then have a knock out comp with the top 2 from each conference for the champions cup.

                                        I fully expect more shit teams to be added and formats to change in another two years.

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                                          Beauden Barrett will front a Sanzaar judiciary on Monday night for his double yellow card effort against the Waratahs. Sanzaar's foul play review committee looked at the incidents on Sunday night and decided there was a case to answer for World Rugby's 2016 player of the year. The judicial committee for the video conference hearing will be Adam Casselden SC (Chairman), Mike Mika and De Wet Barry.


                                          This will be a test case in the event another player also receives 2 YCs in the future.

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