Exodus 2017
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@Kiwidom wait, what? I'm not sure what is harder to believe, that a 26 year old who can't make a Super squad is being "too hasty" in taking what i imagine is a much more lucrative offer. Or that Marty Banks is, or could be, All Black quality.
@mariner4life Any player who can score a try, swig a beer and kick a sideline conversion in quick succession deserves to be in All Blacks calculations in my books!
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aaaaaand new nicknames were born
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Probably won't be a popular view on here but this Whetu Douglas thing is why i don't like players like Leitch being long term players in NZ super rugby teams. In this case you could pretty much draw a direct line between Leitch being contracted and Douglas missing out and fucking off overseas. How he has played at the Crusaders is proof that some players just need an oportunity to go to the next level.
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Otago Daily Times:
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Probably won't be a popular view on here but this Whetu Douglas thing is why i don't like players like Leitch being long term players in NZ super rugby teams. In this case you could pretty much draw a direct line between Leitch being contracted and Douglas missing out and fucking off overseas. How he has played at the Crusaders is proof that some players just need an oportunity to go to the next level.
@pukunui Too many foreign tighthead props as well (to keep banging my drum). And we're basically contracting foreigners to use against one another, rather than the Aussies and Saffas.
I guess it's the way things have gone in the Northern Hemisphere, but I'd hate to see any more than we have now and would prefer to see less.
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Probably won't be a popular view on here but this Whetu Douglas thing is why i don't like players like Leitch being long term players in NZ super rugby teams. In this case you could pretty much draw a direct line between Leitch being contracted and Douglas missing out and fucking off overseas. How he has played at the Crusaders is proof that some players just need an oportunity to go to the next level.
@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Probably won't be a popular view on here but this Whetu Douglas thing is why i don't like players like Leitch being long term players in NZ super rugby teams. In this case you could pretty much draw a direct line between Leitch being contracted and Douglas missing out and fucking off overseas. How he has played at the Crusaders is proof that some players just need an oportunity to go to the next level.
I agree entirely
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Coltman
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Probably won't be a popular view on here but this Whetu Douglas thing is why i don't like players like Leitch being long term players in NZ super rugby teams. In this case you could pretty much draw a direct line between Leitch being contracted and Douglas missing out and fucking off overseas. How he has played at the Crusaders is proof that some players just need an oportunity to go to the next level.
@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Probably won't be a popular view on here but this Whetu Douglas thing is why i don't like players like Leitch being long term players in NZ super rugby teams. In this case you could pretty much draw a direct line between Leitch being contracted and Douglas missing out and fucking off overseas. How he has played at the Crusaders is proof that some players just need an oportunity to go to the next level.
Joe Tupe is another one who springs to my mind. He could have earned a Chiefs call instead of Leitch. I understand NH clubs' recruitment of foreign players in order to be competitive and earn trophies, but I can't understand why NZ federation's franchises paying foreign players when so many NZ players are available.
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I don't think a NZ-born Japanese player is any different to selecting Samoan/Fijian/Tongan/Australian players in your squad. None are eligible to play for NZ if that is your criteria for selection.
So either NZR says that all NZ Super rugby players have to be eligible to play for the ABs with no exceptions, or you allow 1 or 2 per squad, as is the rule currently.
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I don't think a NZ-born Japanese player is any different to selecting Samoan/Fijian/Tongan/Australian players in your squad. None are eligible to play for NZ if that is your criteria for selection.
So either NZR says that all NZ Super rugby players have to be eligible to play for the ABs with no exceptions, or you allow 1 or 2 per squad, as is the rule currently.
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
I don't think a NZ-born Japanese player is any different to selecting Samoan/Fijian/Tongan/Australian players in your squad. None are eligible to play for NZ if that is your criteria for selection.
So either NZR says that all NZ Super rugby players have to be eligible to play for the ABs with no exceptions, or you allow 1 or 2 per squad, as is the rule currently.
I don't have a problem with Island and Japan players but I draw the line at Ockers - I'd rather Jonah Lowe (or some local Ta$man/Chch kid) be at the Crusaders (spit) than Digby Ioane.
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@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
I don't think a NZ-born Japanese player is any different to selecting Samoan/Fijian/Tongan/Australian players in your squad. None are eligible to play for NZ if that is your criteria for selection.
So either NZR says that all NZ Super rugby players have to be eligible to play for the ABs with no exceptions, or you allow 1 or 2 per squad, as is the rule currently.
I don't have a problem with Island and Japan players but I draw the line at Ockers - I'd rather Jonah Lowe (or some local Ta$man/Chch kid) be at the Crusaders (spit) than Digby Ioane.
@Nepia Disagree entirely. Better for the tournament as a whole to have players of various nationalities across the teams.
Although the central structure of NZ has certainly contributed to the success of the All Blacks, and the NZ super rugby teams are strong, it's detrimental to the tournament that NZ super rugby teams are effectively only feeder teams to the All Blacks.
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@Nepia Disagree entirely. Better for the tournament as a whole to have players of various nationalities across the teams.
Although the central structure of NZ has certainly contributed to the success of the All Blacks, and the NZ super rugby teams are strong, it's detrimental to the tournament that NZ super rugby teams are effectively only feeder teams to the All Blacks.
@MajorRage said in Exodus 2017:
@Nepia Disagree entirely. Better for the tournament as a whole to have players of various nationalities across the teams.
Although the central structure of NZ has certainly contributed to the success of the All Blacks, and the NZ super rugby teams are strong, it's detrimental to the tournament that NZ super rugby teams are effectively only feeder teams to the All Blacks.
I disagree with your disagree entirely, entirely. I don't want Super rugby to turn into a version of the French and English comps and NFL and Soccer. I want to cheer for NZ players in NZ teams. I also don't want NZR money being spent on older foreign players when that money can be used on a young player waiting for his chance.
But then, I think we should have our cake and eat it too and allow any NZer who players for a Super team eligible for the ABs (as long as they sign with a NZ province for NPC).
Also, I don't know why it is detrimental for the tournament that the NZ Super teams are feeders to the ABs. We still win most of the time. That's the other point of the competition.
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@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
I don't think a NZ-born Japanese player is any different to selecting Samoan/Fijian/Tongan/Australian players in your squad. None are eligible to play for NZ if that is your criteria for selection.
So either NZR says that all NZ Super rugby players have to be eligible to play for the ABs with no exceptions, or you allow 1 or 2 per squad, as is the rule currently.
I don't have a problem with Island and Japan players but I draw the line at Ockers - I'd rather Jonah Lowe (or some local Ta$man/Chch kid) be at the Crusaders (spit) than Digby Ioane.
@Nepia said in Exodus 2017:
I don't have a problem with Island and Japan players but I draw the line at Ockers - I'd rather Jonah Lowe (or some local Ta$man/Chch kid) be at the Crusaders (spit) than Digby Ioane.
Agreed. Ioane should be playing for an Aust team not a NZ team.
My response was related to the criticism of selecting Leitch, who currently is no different to TNW in the Chiefs squad.
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The rules are what they are and they allow a (NZ born) player who is not eligible for the ABs to play for a NZ team regardless for which other country he qualifies. No double standards. I'm fine with players like Ioane and Leitch playing in NZ if players from other countries are permitted to play here.
Where insufficient NZ players are available in a certain position or of a certain type or with the required experience, then I think it's okay to go for a foreign player.
I could explain this better if I wasn't watching a game at the moment.
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@Nepia Disagree entirely. Better for the tournament as a whole to have players of various nationalities across the teams.
Although the central structure of NZ has certainly contributed to the success of the All Blacks, and the NZ super rugby teams are strong, it's detrimental to the tournament that NZ super rugby teams are effectively only feeder teams to the All Blacks.
@MajorRage said in Exodus 2017:
@Nepia Disagree entirely. Better for the tournament as a whole to have players of various nationalities across the teams.
Although the central structure of NZ has certainly contributed to the success of the All Blacks, and the NZ super rugby teams are strong, it's detrimental to the tournament that NZ super rugby teams are effectively only feeder teams to the All Blacks.
That is a strange statement. Would anyone really notice if guys like Leitch, TNW, Alaalatoa and Digby weren't playing for NZ teams? I would suggest the fact that the NZ teams are feeders to the ABs is one of the best thing for the comp right now and very important for the future of Super rugby and the All Blacks.
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2017:
I don't have a problem with Island and Japan players but I draw the line at Ockers - I'd rather Jonah Lowe (or some local Ta$man/Chch kid) be at the Crusaders (spit) than Digby Ioane.
Agreed. Ioane should be playing for an Aust team not a NZ team.
My response was related to the criticism of selecting Leitch, who currently is no different to TNW in the Chiefs squad.
Except TNW hasn't directly contributed to a player who plays in a position of relatively poor depth for the ABs and is clearly up to super rugby level signing overseas because he was overlooked for the squad.
Personally i don't mind the odd pacific islands player being used by a NZ team. Rich countries like Japan or Tier 1 countries like Aust/England can pay their own players though. That should be something that is understood by players, especially kiwi players, when they decide to qualify for another country.
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@MajorRage said in Exodus 2017:
@Nepia Disagree entirely. Better for the tournament as a whole to have players of various nationalities across the teams.
Although the central structure of NZ has certainly contributed to the success of the All Blacks, and the NZ super rugby teams are strong, it's detrimental to the tournament that NZ super rugby teams are effectively only feeder teams to the All Blacks.
That is a strange statement. Would anyone really notice if guys like Leitch, TNW, Alaalatoa and Digby weren't playing for NZ teams? I would suggest the fact that the NZ teams are feeders to the ABs is one of the best thing for the comp right now and very important for the future of Super rugby and the All Blacks.
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2017:
I don't have a problem with Island and Japan players but I draw the line at Ockers - I'd rather Jonah Lowe (or some local Ta$man/Chch kid) be at the Crusaders (spit) than Digby Ioane.
Agreed. Ioane should be playing for an Aust team not a NZ team.
My response was related to the criticism of selecting Leitch, who currently is no different to TNW in the Chiefs squad.
Except TNW hasn't directly contributed to a player who plays in a position of relatively poor depth for the ABs and is clearly up to super rugby level signing overseas because he was overlooked for the squad.
Personally i don't mind the odd pacific islands player being used by a NZ team. Rich countries like Japan or Tier 1 countries like Aust/England can pay their own players though. That should be something that is understood by players, especially kiwi players, when they decide to qualify for another country.
@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Except TNW hasn't directly contributed to a player who plays in a position of relatively poor depth for the ABs and is clearly up to super rugby level signing overseas because he was overlooked for the squad.
I don't think it's simple as that. Luatua is leaving, and it's got nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at Super rugby level. Nasi Manu went overseas a few years ago himself.
Of course I would prefer that Douglas stayed in NZ - he plays for the team I support. But in hindsight Whetu was probably too quick to sign the first professional contract put in front of him. I can certainly understand why he did, but unfortunately it was from an overseas club.
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@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Except TNW hasn't directly contributed to a player who plays in a position of relatively poor depth for the ABs and is clearly up to super rugby level signing overseas because he was overlooked for the squad.
I don't think it's simple as that. Luatua is leaving, and it's got nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at Super rugby level. Nasi Manu went overseas a few years ago himself.
Of course I would prefer that Douglas stayed in NZ - he plays for the team I support. But in hindsight Whetu was probably too quick to sign the first professional contract put in front of him. I can certainly understand why he did, but unfortunately it was from an overseas club.
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
@pukunui said in Exodus 2017:
Except TNW hasn't directly contributed to a player who plays in a position of relatively poor depth for the ABs and is clearly up to super rugby level signing overseas because he was overlooked for the squad.
I don't think it's simple as that. Luatua is leaving, and it's got nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at Super rugby level. Nasi Manu went overseas a few years ago himself.
Of course I would prefer that Douglas stayed in NZ - he plays for the team I support. But in hindsight Whetu was probably too quick to sign the first professional contract put in front of him. I can certainly understand why he did, but unfortunately it was from an overseas club.
That is the point, we struggle to hold on to these guys as it is because the pull of money from up north is so strong.
We need as many NZ qualified players staying as we can get. Giving NZ super rugby spots, particularly as starters, to international players reduces our ability to do that.
