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@Rembrandt said in RIP 2017:
I'm gonna be a fluffybunny and say I lost a lot of respect once I heard it was suicide. That make me a bad person?
Not getting at you but that is a reaction born from our religious based laws. Suicide is illegal. How fucking dumb is that? We are brought up with that in the background of our thoughts. It is a bad thing and weak because 'god' gave us life and we shouldn't waste it.
I don't discount the hurt to others from someones suicide but how is that different from someone dying from cancer? Both are illness based, both cause death. -
@Rembrandt said in RIP 2017:
I'm gonna be a fluffybunny and say I lost a lot of respect once I heard it was suicide. That make me a bad person?
It's a bit harsh , depression literally is a killer. To get into the place where you feel so bad that dying seems like your best option to escape your pain must be an incredibly awful thing to experience.
Did you feel the same way about Vickerman?
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Yeah I know it's a hugely unpopular train of thought. It just seems such a waste to have someone with a family, people that care for him, millions of fans, an incredible talent, huge resources to address his issues and knowledge of the horrors of depression and where it can lead. I guess maybe that in itself made it even worse for him to have everything but still feel you have nothing.
I've just seen a few people write silly eulogies recently about how he 'would always be someone who would go out on his own terms' as though its some sort of heroic move. Same too when Cobain went and other teens followed suit because life is hard. I still think it's incredibly sad but if I'm totally honest with myself I have lost a lot of respect for him. That's coming from someone who is a huge fan, I don't expect anyone to agree.
When I think of Vickerman's children and the damage his death has done to them then I also think the same about him.
Sorry to be a further downer on a thread devoted to celebrating the lives of famous people no longer with us. Normally I'd probably keep those thoughts to myself..but beer festival last night and woke up with some notifications and was like 'oh wow I actually said that, that's not gonna make me very popular!'
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Also understand the comparison with cancer. Unlike cancer though he had resources to be able to fight the illness. I've watched a mate go out swinging with the big C. I had huge respect for that, he did get to a point of acceptance which was an amazing thing to witness but he would have done absolutely anything just to have a little longer with his mates, family and new wife.
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@Rembrandt said in RIP 2017:
Also understand the comparison with cancer. Unlike cancer though he had resources to be able to fight the illness. I've watched a mate go out swinging with the big C. I had huge respect for that, he did get to a point of acceptance which was an amazing thing to witness but he would have done absolutely anything just to have a little longer with his mates, family and new wife.
Cancers not perhaps the best comparison, something like chronic arthritis might be better. It's always with you and sometimes it's worse than others and sometimes it's unbearable. Simply having the resources to deal with it like he did isn't necessarily enough.
I agree going out on your own terms is a silly thing to say.
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When I watched House (the one with Hugh Laurie as the insensitive shunt doctor) there was an episode about a girl who refused treatment, and wikiquote to the rescue here:
Rebecca Adler: I just want to die with a little dignity.
Dr. House: There's no such thing! Our bodies break down, sometimes when we're 90, sometimes before we're even born, but it always happens and there's never any dignity in it. I don't care if you can walk, see, wipe your own ass. It's always ugly - always! We can live with dignity - we can't die with it.
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Sometimes treatment works sometimes it doesn't.
Cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, diabetes, depression.
Depends if you get the right treatment Nd how aggressive the condition is.
Cancer probably is a good analogy. Simetimes you can get it into remission but it's insidious. It's (often) always there no matter if you think you've nuked it. Similar to mental illness.
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Sometimes treatment works sometimes it doesn't.
Cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, diabetes, depression.
Depends if you get the right treatment Nd how aggressive the condition is.
Cancer probably is a good analogy. Simetimes you can get it into remission but it's insidious. It's (often) always there no matter if you think you've nuked it. Similar to mental illness.
Good post. The better half has battled quite severe depression in the past and it is something that is always there. She has mechanisms to cope when it rares its ugly head - ensuring she is in a good routine, exercise and most importantly talking openly about it with myself & others close to her. She doesn't always undersrand why her 'mood' will change but doing those things helps a lot.
In saying that I can see where @Rembrandt is coming from, and I would argue that suicide will often hurt those close to the person more, as it is difficult not to feel partly responsible in that you think you could have done more to help. It also leaves a bunch of unanswered questions around 'why' which can eat away at you. It's absolutely awful and in most cases I would say avoidable if the correct help is sought - JK may be a shit coach but the work he's done around suicide prevention is absolutely gold - who knows how many lives he's saved with the campaigning and services he's set up.
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@No-Quarter said in RIP 2017:
Sometimes treatment works sometimes it doesn't.
Cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, diabetes, depression.
Depends if you get the right treatment Nd how aggressive the condition is.
Cancer probably is a good analogy. Simetimes you can get it into remission but it's insidious. It's (often) always there no matter if you think you've nuked it. Similar to mental illness.
Good post. The better half has battled quite severe depression in the past and it is something that is always there. She has mechanisms to cope when it rares its ugly head - ensuring she is in a good routine, exercise and most importantly talking openly about it with myself & others close to her. She doesn't always undersrand why her 'mood' will change but doing those things helps a lot.
- JK may be a shit coach but the work he's done around suicide prevention is absolutely gold - who knows how many lives he's saved with the campaigning and services he's set up.
Rembrandt's comments would suggest that this campaign needs to continue.
In my current job I see a lot more mental health issues so have done some mental health training and I came out of that realising that I knew nothing about nothing. Basically I'd call in the professionals at the drop of a hat now, and TBH even doing that there is no guarantee that an intervention will be 100% successful.
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Great selection here
Chris Cornell Wrote Some Of The Best Driving Songs - Jalopnik
Chris Cornell’s passing was the first death of a musical artist to really bum me out. I probably listen to his songs on a daily basis, so the news hit me hard. Most of the time I rock out from behind the wheel because Chris made awesome tracks for putting the pedal down and going for a drive.
RIP 2017
