All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
I actually can't see the swinging arm. Of four of us watching together last night, 2 could see the arm and 2 couldn't - we need a Green and Gold style breakdown ....
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
I actually can't see the swinging arm. Of four of us watching together last night, 2 could see the arm and 2 couldn't - we need a Green and Gold style breakdown ....
Look for the end on replay
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Hansen needs get really angry about this, I mean it is clearly a personal attack on him, in retaliation to him getting the Herald to post the clown pic of Gats.
UK tabloid The Sun has hit back after the All Blacks' shock 24-21 loss to the Lions by depicting coach Steve Hansen as a clown.
The retort comes after the Herald caricatured Lions coach Warren Gatland as a clown following their first test defeat to the All Blacks at Eden Park last weekend.
The Sun's image shows Gatland throwing a pie into the face of a red-nosed Hansen in a clown outfit with the headline "CLOWN JEWELS".
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11884910
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Hansen needs get really angry about this, I mean it is clearly a personal attack on him, in retaliation to him getting the Herald to post the clown pic of Gats.
UK tabloid The Sun has hit back after the All Blacks' shock 24-21 loss to the Lions by depicting coach Steve Hansen as a clown.
The retort comes after the Herald caricatured Lions coach Warren Gatland as a clown following their first test defeat to the All Blacks at Eden Park last weekend.
The Sun's image shows Gatland throwing a pie into the face of a red-nosed Hansen in a clown outfit with the headline "CLOWN JEWELS".
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11884910
Good, they've stooped to our level.
Moral low ground surrendered.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Hansen needs get really angry about this, I mean it is clearly a personal attack on him, in retaliation to him getting the Herald to post the clown pic of Gats.
UK tabloid The Sun has hit back after the All Blacks' shock 24-21 loss to the Lions by depicting coach Steve Hansen as a clown.
The retort comes after the Herald caricatured Lions coach Warren Gatland as a clown following their first test defeat to the All Blacks at Eden Park last weekend.
The Sun's image shows Gatland throwing a pie into the face of a red-nosed Hansen in a clown outfit with the headline "CLOWN JEWELS".
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11884910
Good, they've stooped to our level.
Moral low ground surrendered.
@booboo was the Sun, so not sure any stooping was required!
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haha, the dissection continues, UK press seem to be digging for a controversial statement (its been raining most of the day so stuck inside)
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/veitch-on-sport/audio/hansen-sbw-knows-he-made-a-mistake/
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
I actually can't see the swinging arm. Of four of us watching together last night, 2 could see the arm and 2 couldn't - we need a Green and Gold style breakdown ....
Look for the end on replay
@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
I actually can't see the swinging arm. Of four of us watching together last night, 2 could see the arm and 2 couldn't - we need a Green and Gold style breakdown ....
Look for the end on replay
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@pakman sorry what? To start with in what world does Itoje not make that side? He was the best lock on the field. Read also got smashed backwards all night - Toby F made ground.
Do you actually think Itoje was the best lock on the field?
I found his performance in the test to be almost the textbook definition of not living up to the hype.
Itoje's workrate helped the Lions - he was their top tackler (and missed a couple) and caused a few problems for the AB's at rucks and mauls.
Where he was most noticeable was standing about a yard offside at each ruck - not sure he'll get away with that every game.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia almost agree but accidental doesn't matter nowadays. Contact to head with swinging arm resulting in concussion and player leaving the field. O'Brien is a wonderful player and clean as but shit happens and the rules are about cleaning up technique as much as dirty play
I actually can't see the swinging arm. Of four of us watching together last night, 2 could see the arm and 2 couldn't - we need a Green and Gold style breakdown ....
Look for the end on replay
@booboo pretty innocuous really, but be interesting to see how they treat it given an incident with potential for injury can see a RC, while one that didnt look much, but resulted in a player leaving the field.
As already stated, dont think this needed sanction (although didnt get anything on-field, so if meets RC threshold...) but felt MV should.
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Itoje's workrate helped the Lions - he was their top tackler (and missed a couple) and caused a few problems for the AB's at rucks and mauls.
Where he was most noticeable was standing about a yard offside at each ruck - not sure he'll get away with that every game.
@PecoTrain standing a yard off side all the time means you dont have to work so hard to get to the player with the ball
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@Sapetyvi said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I think Hansen needs to shoulder some blame for this, after the red card if you absolutely feel the need to get more speed out there, swap Kaino for Ardie, he could have performed a hybrid 12/7 role easily, but hindsight is 20/20 and Laumape could have decided that, he looked dangerous with ball in hand. Either way he was forced becouse SBW was dumb.
I don't think the decision was made to get more speed out there - it was made to get 7 backs on the park. that they did it so quickly it was clearly something they'd thought about previously and I think it was the right decision.
If you think about it - when a prop gets yellow carded it's usually the blindside flanker who sits out part of the 10 minutes while the reserve prop has to come on. So Kaino is logically the man who is going to be sat down.
In this case, the problem is that we can't spend 65 minutes defending seven backs onto six. We're short of a second five eighth and we have a specialist one of those sitting on the bench, so I can't see why we'd bring on Ardie to play there?
@Chris-B. Well I maybe a tad optimistic about how good your backs are, I would have backed them to defend short handed
For the life of me I can't understand this 'protecting the player' bullshit being dished out by the referees and comms at every turn. Seems its more like a fingertip to the head is red, but charge on a player on the ground(who is also retreating from the tackle) the head not being the point of contact and its play on?
I mean out of the two incidents, SoB on Naholo and Vunipola on Barret, the other had intent, no arms, and a real chance for the receiving end to get injured, whereas Naholo was unlucky to get a forearm to the head.
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O'Bruen cited so the process worked.
Mea culpa for thinking it wasn't so bad as it clearly was.
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O'Bruen cited so the process worked.
Mea culpa for thinking it wasn't so bad as it clearly was.
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@taniwharugby you mean the second penalty against the tackler? I can't remember the first.
I've always hated it. Up there with diving over the top of a ruck to score a try for me. Leaves the defenders no legal recourse and just feels like a loophole in the laws that defies the spirit of the game.
@SimonAdd_2 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@taniwharugby you mean the second penalty against the tackler? I can't remember the first.
I've always hated it. Up there with diving over the top of a ruck to score a try for me. Leaves the defenders no legal recourse and just feels like a loophole in the laws that defies the spirit of the game.
my bad, it was the Fiji-Wales game last week where a Fijian was pinged when a Welshman jumped to take a pass (mentioned in post above)
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@Toddy he wont get banned he's a Lion they never do anything that warrants a penalty especially the Irish ones
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Having to penalise the tackler is a seriously moronic rule. So everyone jumps when you get to the gainline like Sinckler and you are through the first line of defense. Mind you the fatty can jump, which is probably the most surprising thing.....
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@pakman sorry what? To start with in what world does Itoje not make that side? He was the best lock on the field. Read also got smashed backwards all night - Toby F made ground.
Itoje was part of an eight man pack which did not subdue the AB seven. He was pinged offside at least twice and could or should have been more, penalties which threatened to sink Lions. Pulled off a good maul sack and made a couple of big tackles but the collective result suggests the less showy aspects were nothing special. I simply wouldn't have swapped either of the two AB locks for him. TF was good and more debatable, but again operating in a pack one short swings it to Read for me.
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@pakman Whitelock was fairly anonymous. I think Retallick and Itoje would be a much fairer representation of the two best locks
