All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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Sumo has tweeted Jordie at 15 and a mention of a lot of Canes in the backline. I'm guessing that is Laumape and Savea. A shootout between Rieko and Fekitoa for the 23 shirt I guess (and Naholo but sounds like he might not be fit?)
@KiwiMurph be very surprised if Fekitoa isnt in the 23
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On Fekitoa. Quite a few seem to be of the thought he blows a lot of try scoring opportunities by not passing. Is this an actual thing, or just perceived? I get frustrated with his indecisiveness with ball in hand at times, but it's generally when he's got a good d line in front of him. He seems pretty good at putting others away when a try is on from memory.
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
On Fekitoa. Quite a few seem to be of the thought he blows a lot of try scoring opportunities by not passing. Is this an actual thing, or just perceived? I get frustrated with his indecisiveness with ball in hand at times, but it's generally when he's got a good d line in front of him. He seems pretty good at putting others away when a try is on from memory.
My thoughts of his weakness , he runs bloody hard with the ball tucked under one arm , not your classical midfielder with the ball in both hands in front of him , and often when its time to pass , it seems to take him a while to get balanced to get the pass away, and its often opportunity lost .
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@KiwiMurph be very surprised if Fekitoa isnt in the 23
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@taniwharugby I agree i'd have him in the 23 too and I think his weakness in attack is overblown at times - but that's not to say the weakness doesnt exist.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@taniwharugby I agree i'd have him in the 23 too and I think his weakness in attack is overblown at times - but that's not to say the weakness doesnt exist.
with the players available , id have him in too .
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feiktoa does get indecisive, but usually that is when there isn't a clear attacking option. most of the time with a clear overlap etc he gets it right. he's also easily our best defensive midfielder with crotty out, and davies has been causing problems for pretty much every team he's played against. i think if you tell fekitoa not to overthink it and just run hard and straight and retain the ball he can do a fine job.
laumape is a brutal battering ram, but he's just a bit fresh for my liking in terms of being used to the defensive schemes and getting the timing and coordination right. i'd be comfortable with him and crotty together as crotty has the experience and is a talker/organiser. but with crotty out, not so much... goodhue the same, like his super work, but just hasn't been with the team long enough for my liking. i've barely seen rieko play centre.
so i guess for me that means ALB at 12 and fekitoa at 13. wouldn't be surprised if they picked laumape at 12 though, as his game is most suited to the gameplan we've shown so far. i.e. warrenball. -
feiktoa does get indecisive, but usually that is when there isn't a clear attacking option. most of the time with a clear overlap etc he gets it right. he's also easily our best defensive midfielder with crotty out, and davies has been causing problems for pretty much every team he's played against. i think if you tell fekitoa not to overthink it and just run hard and straight and retain the ball he can do a fine job.
laumape is a brutal battering ram, but he's just a bit fresh for my liking in terms of being used to the defensive schemes and getting the timing and coordination right. i'd be comfortable with him and crotty together as crotty has the experience and is a talker/organiser. but with crotty out, not so much... goodhue the same, like his super work, but just hasn't been with the team long enough for my liking. i've barely seen rieko play centre.
so i guess for me that means ALB at 12 and fekitoa at 13. wouldn't be surprised if they picked laumape at 12 though, as his game is most suited to the gameplan we've shown so far. i.e. warrenball.@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
feiktoa does get indecisive, but usually that is when there isn't a clear attacking option. most of the time with a clear overlap etc he gets it right. he's also easily our best defensive midfielder with crotty out, and davies has been causing problems for pretty much every team he's played against. i think if you tell fekitoa not to overthink it and just run hard and straight and retain the ball he can do a fine job.
laumape is a brutal battering ram, but he's just a bit fresh for my liking in terms of being used to the defensive schemes and getting the timing and coordination right. i'd be comfortable with him and crotty together as crotty has the experience and is a talker/organiser. but with crotty out, not so much... goodhue the same, like his super work, but just hasn't been with the team long enough for my liking. i've barely seen rieko play centre
so i guess for me that means ALB at 12 and fekitoa at 13. wouldn't be surprised if they picked laumape at 12 though, as his game is most suited to the gameplan we've shown so far. i.e. warrenball.Ioane is not a centre yet. He made a little improvement this year, but last seasons NPC he got exposed quite a bit. I like him on the wing, but it's early days and I think his pace is better with space
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Anyone have any concerns with Jordie at FB ? ( if the rumors are true )
My only concern , is it too soon ?
I can see why they want to do it though , it gives them the structure they seem to prefer at the back
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Anyone have any concerns with Jordie at FB ? ( if the rumors are true )
My only concern , is it too soon ?
I can see why they want to do it though , it gives them the structure they seem to prefer at the back
@kiwiinmelb some concerns re tackling and defensive positioning yes. he's got good skills under the high ball though, and doesn't seem prone to nerves.
the last line of defence thing is often overstated in terms of fullback play i think. you make less one on one tackles than almost anyone else, and most of the time if you're making a one on one tackle in open play at fullback you're on a hiding to nothing and it is because someone else has already fucked up - it's just that they are really visible tackles. my concern is, while big and strong enough, he tends to get himself in weak positions at times and doesn't use the sideline particularly well.
is naholo definitely out? if i were hansen i would still be eyeing up that sexton/farrell channel with any/all of naholo/savea/fekitoa/laumape. best way to stop the rush defence is momentum and that ought to be front foot ball every time. -
@kiwiinmelb some concerns re tackling and defensive positioning yes. he's got good skills under the high ball though, and doesn't seem prone to nerves.
the last line of defence thing is often overstated in terms of fullback play i think. you make less one on one tackles than almost anyone else, and most of the time if you're making a one on one tackle in open play at fullback you're on a hiding to nothing and it is because someone else has already fucked up - it's just that they are really visible tackles. my concern is, while big and strong enough, he tends to get himself in weak positions at times and doesn't use the sideline particularly well.
is naholo definitely out? if i were hansen i would still be eyeing up that sexton/farrell channel with any/all of naholo/savea/fekitoa/laumape. best way to stop the rush defence is momentum and that ought to be front foot ball every time.@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb some concerns re tackling and defensive positioning yes. he's got good skills under the high ball though, and doesn't seem prone to nerves.
the last line of defence thing is often overstated in terms of fullback play i think. you make less one on one tackles than almost anyone else, and most of the time if you're making a one on one tackle in open play at fullback you're on a hiding to nothing and it is because someone else has already fucked up - it's just that they are really visible tackles. my concern is, while big and strong enough, he tends to get himself in weak positions at times and doesn't use the sideline particularly well.
is naholo definitely out? if i were hansen i would still be eyeing up that sexton/farrell channel with any/all of naholo/savea/fekitoa/laumape. best way to stop the rush defence is momentum and that ought to be front foot ball every time.Considering last line defence is a wet fish used to slap Dagg by a few posters on here I think to some it's not overstated.
I'm concerned, aside from having the name Barrett I haven't seen anything from him this year to suggest AB starting fullback.
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I'm not worried about Barrett at all.
Laumape is what has me more concerned.
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Laumape probably concerns both AB and Lions fans.
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@Nepia last line defense is a tough gig. I think we were spoilt for a while with Cully and Mils who were both excellent in that regard. I've seen Ben Smith miss tackles though he is reasonably good. Dagg has always been poor and Jordie is not an improvement by any stretch.
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I have read people making parallels of this game with 2011 RWC final where the weight from the fans made things much harder. I think though, this time the pressure is coming more from within to attone for the last performance.
Other interesting parallels are the BIL taking time out to jet boat and bungy jump in Queenstown. ABs in '99 and '07 anyone? -
I have read people making parallels of this game with 2011 RWC final where the weight from the fans made things much harder. I think though, this time the pressure is coming more from within to attone for the last performance.
Other interesting parallels are the BIL taking time out to jet boat and bungy jump in Queenstown. ABs in '99 and '07 anyone? -
@Nepia last line defense is a tough gig. I think we were spoilt for a while with Cully and Mils who were both excellent in that regard. I've seen Ben Smith miss tackles though he is reasonably good. Dagg has always been poor and Jordie is not an improvement by any stretch.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Nepia last line defense is a tough gig. I think we were spoilt for a while with Cully and Mils who were both excellent in that regard. I've seen Ben Smith miss tackles though he is reasonably good. Dagg has always been poor and Jordie is not an improvement by any stretch.
I prefer good last lines of defence, I was just finding it a bit weird that Barrett's very poor defence is being overlooked to push his selection case when Dagg's is focused on.
Cullen was awesome, and it was such an underrated part of his game too by lots of fans.
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Is this Charlie's last test or is he available for the RC? What a massive loss he's going to be.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Is this Charlie's last test or is he available for the RC? What a massive loss he's going to be.
He's moving to France at the end of the Super Rugby season, so he won't be available for the RC.
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Is this Charlie's last test or is he available for the RC? What a massive loss he's going to be.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
What a massive loss he's going to be.
Agreed. Huge step down in capability.
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Anyone have any concerns with Jordie at FB ? ( if the rumors are true )
My only concern , is it too soon ?
I can see why they want to do it though , it gives them the structure they seem to prefer at the back
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Anyone have any concerns with Jordie at FB ? ( if the rumors are true )
My only concern , is it too soon ?
I can see why they want to do it though , it gives them the structure they seem to prefer at the back
If they didn't think he was ready, they should haven't fucking picked him. Sorry if that seems like me having a go at you (it's not, I'm not convinced either) but if they picked him (conceivably as a fullback) it's actually a bit mad that he didn't play in test two given the expected weather and location.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Anyone have any concerns with Jordie at FB ? ( if the rumors are true )
My only concern , is it too soon ?
I can see why they want to do it though , it gives them the structure they seem to prefer at the back
If they didn't think he was ready, they should haven't fucking picked him. Sorry if that seems like me having a go at you (it's not, I'm not convinced either) but if they picked him (conceivably as a fullback) it's actually a bit mad that he didn't play in test two given the expected weather and location.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Anyone have any concerns with Jordie at FB ? ( if the rumors are true )
My only concern , is it too soon ?
I can see why they want to do it though , it gives them the structure they seem to prefer at the back
If they didn't think he was ready, they should haven't fucking picked him. Sorry if that seems like me having a go at you (it's not, I'm not convinced either) but if they picked him (conceivably as a fullback) it's actually a bit mad that he didn't play in test two given the expected weather and location.
Picking JB to play with Dagg would have been more in keeping with our 2 FB policy of the last few years
