Aussie Pro Rugby
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life any comment?
FNQ Rugby has again been plagued by match forfeits with only one of the scheduled three games taking place in Round 12.
Cairns Wanderers and Innisfail and District Rugby Club were both forced to forfeit their games on Saturday due to a lack of playing numbers.
Forfeits have been commonplace in the competition in 2017, as well as two teams dropping out of the reserve grade.
FNQ Rugby competitions manager John Pirie is unsure if Wanderers and Innisfail will be able to finish the season out.
“Both the clubs have been battling all year for player retention,” Pirie said.
“They are trying to recruit new people to the club.
“The forfeits are extremely worrying, participation has fallen through the floor across the state.
“We are pretty concerned.”
In the game that was completed, Northern Beaches Mudcrabs claimed an exciting one-point win over Brothers at West Barlow park.
Mudcrabs coach Andrew Derrington was pleased to beat a strong Brothers outfit.
“The last 10-15 minutes of the game was really frantic and our guys really dug in deep,” Derrington said.
“It is a big positive for us.
“It went the other way the last time we played them so it is great to turn the tables this time.”
FNQ Rugby round 12
Cairns Wanderers forfeit v Barron-Trinity Bulls
Innisfail & District Rugby Club forfeit v Southside Crusaders
Northern Beaches Mudcrabs Rugby Union Club 19 d Brothers RUC 18
Bye JCU MarinersNo comment. JCU have two full sides. Barron-Trinity have two strong sides (and will probably win both grades). Southside i am pretty sure have two sides. The rest are fucked. Innisfail returned to first grade for the first time in years, and promptly lost all their players. Wanderers first dropped reserve grade, and now don't have a first grade. Mudcrabs last year had huge numbers, but now have dropped reserve grade. Brothers have dropped reserve grade. Port Douglas, a side that has only been first grade for ages, and have won two premierships in the last 10 years, have fallen away completely.
Numbers are through the floor in all codes here in Cairns. League is down by a third, AFL as well (and one AFL first grade side is so rubbish they get hosed by 200+ every week). But rugby is feeling it the most, because they came from the lowest point. It's only a couple of years since most teams had two sides, and only occassionaly had to back up some players (something a couple of clubs have decided against this year). Add in the ARU's brilliant individual registration meaning there is an unwillingness for the casual player to front up and help out, and you get the above.
There is no money, the QRU care factor is nil, the entire comp is run by unpaid volunteers. Juniors play a two month season after all the other codes just to try an get players. Rugby in Cairns is looking terminal unfortunately. And this is despite population growth. The nature of the work here, and the rubbish state of the rugby insurance means that most guys cannot risk getting hurt playing code.
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
The nature of the work here,
In terms of contract setup or working Saturdays?
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
The nature of the work here,
In terms of contract setup or working Saturdays?
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@NTA most guys are tradies or in tourism. Get hurt, can't go to work monday? don't get paid.
@mariner4life similar here - lot of shift workers, warehouse guys, and tradies. I don't have access to the white collar office johnnies that the eastern suburbs do, for some reason. Even though a lot of them live around here and commute.
Team we played on the weekend had a handful of Indian guys. I've got a shitload of Indians living in my suburb so maybe I need to start targeting them?
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@mariner4life similar here - lot of shift workers, warehouse guys, and tradies. I don't have access to the white collar office johnnies that the eastern suburbs do, for some reason. Even though a lot of them live around here and commute.
Team we played on the weekend had a handful of Indian guys. I've got a shitload of Indians living in my suburb so maybe I need to start targeting them?
@NTA Hopefully they're Sikhs who tend to be bigger than your average Indian.
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Also: its not just players.
On the weekend, while most of my club played two games back to back, the ref had to do the same and had been told so beforehand. Neither club had a qualified AR on hand, either (our three were out on the field). The week before, I had to ref Third Grade after the scheduled ref didn't get the change of times.
I have been speaking to MvJ and he said he'd given reffing the arse for this year as he was sick of the bullshit. He has a genuine point: refs often get treated like shit, particularly by the private schools and premier rugby.
My club is taking pains to be courteous to refs++, particularly when we're hosting games. Free food, free drink (soft or hard), and use of the limited facilities we have.
And, as we're on the end of a thrashing more often than not, we're not really having any discipline issues with them.
++Although as Third Grade captain on the weekend I got extremely frustrated that the ref wasn't calling the other team for offside. I decided to walk around the back of one ruck and kick the ball away as the 9 was about to pick it up :thinking: Not my best move but I had a laugh with him about it afterwards
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@NTA, feel your pain Nick.
The Hornsby under 19s team of a few years ago won the Upper North Shore comp and many of the players still qualified for the U19's again the next year.But that next year, the majority of the team didn't return as they were being paid to play by... Gordon, Lindfield, etc.
Poaching from other teams, especially the small clubs like Hornsby and Wahroonga (where my allegiances lay) by the bigger boys of the lower, middle and upper North Shore is absolutely rife.
The only reason Hornsby has been able to field a 1st and 2nd grade team is players backing up and many are oldies from Wahroonga and Hornsby GO's.
I'm not game to play that shite even though they keep asking me so kudos to you for playing.
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@NTA, feel your pain Nick.
The Hornsby under 19s team of a few years ago won the Upper North Shore comp and many of the players still qualified for the U19's again the next year.But that next year, the majority of the team didn't return as they were being paid to play by... Gordon, Lindfield, etc.
Poaching from other teams, especially the small clubs like Hornsby and Wahroonga (where my allegiances lay) by the bigger boys of the lower, middle and upper North Shore is absolutely rife.
The only reason Hornsby has been able to field a 1st and 2nd grade team is players backing up and many are oldies from Wahroonga and Hornsby GO's.
I'm not game to play that shite even though they keep asking me so kudos to you for playing.
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@RoninWC and now you can't pay players in Subbies but still can in Central Coast so Hornsby could send themselves broke doing that
@NTA
But we all know that there are still a lot of payments being made, just out of site.
I've even heard of Colts players being offered jobs and the like.
I certainly know that there are some 1st players who get a case or two of beer to show up at Hornsby.
Speaking of which, there is a GO's gala day at Hornsby next weekend, the 15th if you are interested in a run with the Wahroonga Toothless Tigers
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@NTA
But we all know that there are still a lot of payments being made, just out of site.
I've even heard of Colts players being offered jobs and the like.
I certainly know that there are some 1st players who get a case or two of beer to show up at Hornsby.
Speaking of which, there is a GO's gala day at Hornsby next weekend, the 15th if you are interested in a run with the Wahroonga Toothless Tigers -
Don't have any fucks to give for the tahs.
Only 14 turned up yesterday, then one guy got a fucking horrendous concussion off a high tackle 10 minutes in. Another guy did his groin cunning up to halftime.
Was 33-nil at halftime. 92-nil at the end. Fuck this.
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@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
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@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
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@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
Do you have a link from anyone in the pro 12 management saying this is going to happen?
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@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
I'm certainly interested in learning how South Africa will fit its teams in the NH competitions and congested calendar.
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Don't have any fucks to give for the tahs.
Only 14 turned up yesterday, then one guy got a fucking horrendous concussion off a high tackle 10 minutes in. Another guy did his groin cunning up to halftime.
Was 33-nil at halftime. 92-nil at the end. Fuck this.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Don't have any fucks to give for the tahs.
Only 14 turned up yesterday, then one guy got a fucking horrendous concussion off a high tackle 10 minutes in. Another guy did his groin cunning up to halftime.
Was 33-nil at halftime. 92-nil at the end. Fuck this.
If it makes you feel any better, we had it just about the same, only the first injury was a knee on the 45th minute and then cramps on the 60th to finish the game 12vs15.
It is a bitch to get everyone to show up and care enough. -
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
Do you have a link from anyone in the pro 12 management saying this is going to happen?
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
Do you have a link from anyone in the pro 12 management saying this is going to happen?
http://www.biznews.com/rugby/2017/07/07/cheetahs-kings-super-rugby-europe-pro14/
Not from management, but the closest I could find.
And the BBC have quotes from PRO12, but nothing specific I don't think.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40464201seems an awful lot of smoke...
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@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
Do you have a link from anyone in the pro 12 management saying this is going to happen?
http://www.biznews.com/rugby/2017/07/07/cheetahs-kings-super-rugby-europe-pro14/
Not from management, but the closest I could find.
And the BBC have quotes from PRO12, but nothing specific I don't think.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40464201seems an awful lot of smoke...
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
This shit again?
Fuck. Right. Off
Because SA js starting to align themselves with Europe ... I can see why the Aussies are pushing to break up super rugby
that said, the Saffer bring in all the $$$, so not sure how good the party will be without them.
Are they really though? They've been saying this about Europe for years and nothing's happened.
The Kings and Spears are about to join the Pro 12.
The future makeup of the Pro12 will become clearer on Friday with the South Africa Rugby Union ready to confirm the Southern Kings and the Cheetahs will be cut from Super Rugby.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/06/pro12-gain-south-african-teams-southern-kings-cheetahs
This time it seems to be happening - not just flirting, but getting stuck in
Do you have a link from anyone in the pro 12 management saying this is going to happen?
http://www.biznews.com/rugby/2017/07/07/cheetahs-kings-super-rugby-europe-pro14/
Not from management, but the closest I could find.
And the BBC have quotes from PRO12, but nothing specific I don't think.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/40464201seems an awful lot of smoke...
Maybe it will happen but this has been talked about so often I just ignore it now. I wonder how the European teams will like playing on South African grounds at the height of summer ?
