All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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@Megweya mate, I will be bloody old in 2029
I watched the video again, and it's pretty likely that Read missed the ball. Check out the other angles. The image you show is deceptive. Therefore, my post stands. Further, the officials completely ignored this issue-so my post is even more relevant.I agree with you that the ABs had other chances, and should have taken them. And that is something they must live with.
However, we need officials to get it right, and in this case, it was dishonest by Poite. It should not be ignored, but addressed openly.
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I watched the video again, and it's pretty likely that Read missed the ball.
Not only that, but he's been going up and contesting the restart like that all tour. Playing devil's advocate, if there is a penalty, why not for obstruction? People move into his path and prevent him having a clear contest for the ball.
The real issue with the TMO is that with any event in isolation you can see multiple infringements. Eventualy it's the ref that has to decide what is material. Bleating after the fact is poor form.
I'm all for 10.4(s) being enforced too. All Blacks seem to accept this more than the opposition (except you TJ) - I'd love to see referees get back to the old days, and stop players backchatting or appealing. Get on with playing suck it up and move on.
10.4(s) (from someone above) All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions.
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@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I watched the video again, and it's pretty likely that Read missed the ball.
Not only that, but he's been going up and contesting the restart like that all tour. Playing devil's advocate, if there is a penalty, why not for obstruction? People move into his path and prevent him having a clear contest for the ball.
The real issue with the TMO is that with any event in isolation you can see multiple infringements. Eventualy it's the ref that has to decide what is material. Bleating after the fact is poor form.
I'm all for 10.4(s) being enforced too. All Blacks seem to accept this more than the opposition (except you TJ) - I'd love to see referees get back to the old days, and stop players backchatting or appealing. Get on with playing suck it up and move on.
10.4(s) (from someone above) All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Wairau said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
I'm all for 10.4(s) being enforced too. All Blacks seem to accept this more than the opposition (except you TJ) - I'd love to see referees get back to the old days, and stop players backchatting or appealing. Get on with playing suck it up and move on.10.4(s) (from someone above) All players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions.
Completely agree!
The all Blacks under Ritchie's Rule seem to respect the opposition a bit too.
I hate all this head rubbing etc when an opposition player knocks on or something. It's a weak move and looks damn pathetic.
Retallick is the worst in this area.
I don't mind when a scrum smokes another scrum and the front row stand up and beat their chests, that is a one v one thing
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
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So the general feeling about the town is that while it is a pity we didn't win, it was a hell of a series and a really good result for Rugby.
I don't disagree either.
The Lions fans have to be the best travelling fans of any sport?
I'm not too miffed about all that happened. If it was against England or Aussie or South Africa then I would be more gutted.
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
So the general feeling about the town is that while it is a pity we didn't win, it was a hell of a series and a really good result for Rugby.
I don't disagree either.
The Lions fans have to be the best travelling fans of any sport?
I'm not too miffed about all that happened. If it was against England or Aussie or South Africa then I would be more gutted.
Fans were just great value, every single one of them by the looks. They can drink a bucketload but hold it better than the average kiwi fan.
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On the news last night I thought I heard them say the the Lions held the lead for a total 3 mins in the entire series. Can anyone back that up?
If that is true, then it is an outstanding series result for them
@Hooroo yeah Yalden posted a bunch of stats on his FB page and that was one.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
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Jesus I know some crap people. Hilariously, most of the lions fans yesterday were saying "oh but you wouldn't have wanted to win on a technicality, how bad would that have been". Get fucked you jump into tackle morons.
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
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@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
Yes, he played it. After it hit him on the shoulder is what Poite said.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11888137
Garces and Poite shouldn't even be allowed to ref club rugby
The headline doesn't match the content of the article. Since they don't have the transcript of what Garces said, they can't make that assertion. Nonetheless, I had heard Poite say Oui, Jerome on his way back to bring captains together and wondered what Garces had said.
Poite made his decision of accidental on his view that the ball first hit Owens on the shoulder before he reflexively caught it with his left hand. That's what he is saying to Read.
He played at it. Then, knowing he'd stuffed up he dropped it. The frogs shat the bed
Yes, he played it. After it hit him on the shoulder is what Poite said.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
Not sure anyone is saying that.
We would have won if
- Savea could catch a pass
- We don't get dropsies in their 22
- We play smarter at the end to get a penalty
- The ref doesn't bottle it completely in the final 2 minutes
Naturally, that's the one that gets the headline. But you need all those things to happen for us to lose. And it was pretty egregious... no advantage, changing a call. I mean, seriously, when was the last time you saw a ref change a call that wasn't for foul play?
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
Not sure anyone is saying that.
We would have won if
- Savea could catch a pass
- We don't get dropsies in their 22
- We play smarter at the end to get a penalty
- The ref doesn't bottle it completely in the final 2 minutes
Naturally, that's the one that gets the headline. But you need all those things to happen for us to lose. And it was pretty egregious... no advantage, changing a call. I mean, seriously, when was the last time you saw a ref change a call that wasn't for foul play?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale So that's still a penalty right?
No, I don't think so. I'm surmising here. If Poite is saying to Read that the ball hit Owens first on the shoulder then that is accidental offside. Handling it is secondary.
That's my assumption of what transpired. I can't see another reason as to why he would say that to Read when Read queried it.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Pot-Hale So that's still a penalty right?
No, I don't think so. I'm surmising here. If Poite is saying to Read that the ball hit Owens first on the shoulder then that is accidental offside. Handling it is secondary.
That's my assumption of what transpired. I can't see another reason as to why he would say that to Read when Read queried it.
@Pot-Hale said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
No, I don't think so. I'm surmising here. If Poite is saying to Read that the ball hit Owens first on the shoulder then that is accidental offside. Handling it is secondary.
Shoulder or arm? Because their first thought was arm, and that was the discussion with the TMO. Shoulder I"m not sure about ...
Besides, once the decision is made on the ground, there is actually nothing in the laws that I know of that allows a call to be changed. So really, it's semantics - Ref got it wrong, it's representative of refs in sport at the moment, and it's a terrible look for the game.
For context, that's two games in two weeks that were decided by the application of a 'technical' penalty. With laws that are both pretty shit.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
We lost because we played poorly. And didn't take our chances (penalty kicks included)
Beauden isn't a great kicker under pressure.
We would have won the second test if he made a couple of kicks that most other international kickers would have made. Likewise the third... and that's not including the one we turned down from 45 metres late in the game.
I've seen Jordie nail that kick before.
He also cost the Hurricanes the 2015 final with his erratic kicking.
But keep rolling out stats from 80 point wins against Samoa/ The Sunwolves etc to prove your point... kicking under pressure is different
@SammyC said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Why is an article about Barrett's kicking in 2016 being dredged up as some indicator Hansen is mental? It's over halfway through 2017, show me those stats.
As someone said yesterday, I fear WR are going to remain silent on Poite and Garces, which is shithouse. Garces was just incompetent, but Poite showed some next level dodgyness. They should be fucking hauled.
Fuck we really are the great complainers of world rugby, the only reason we ever lose is because the referee screwed us.
Don't agree with that at all. We had our first ever loss to Ireland last year and there was not a peep about the ref screwing us. The ref will cop it when he bottles it, that's not unique to the All Blacks. Look at the Wallabies v Scotland quarter final.
That was an astounding decision and Poite deserves all the criticism coming his way. As @nzzp pointed out nobody, not a single person on here, is claiming that is the only reason we lost. But it sure as fuck is one of them, and I struggle to understand why you'd just discount it given it was in the final minutes of the game - which is the time when games are regularly won and lost at that level.
