Exodus 2017
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given he is contracted through to end of Super rugby next year (I assume) maybe his signing will be dependant on his inclusion in the ABs with an out clause if he gets selected.
What are the chances he will leap frog Sopoaga or BB at 10 or BFA, Dagg or JB at FB, so while he has utility value if he does fulfill at 10, he has a tough run to get past these guys, so looking off-shore next year could well be a possibility.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2017:
given he is contracted through to end of Super rugby next year (I assume) maybe his signing will be dependant on his inclusion in the ABs with an out clause if he gets selected.
What are the chances he will leap frog Sopoaga or BB at 10 or BFA, Dagg or JB at FB, so while he has utility value if he does fulfill at 10, he has a tough run to get past these guys, so looking off-shore next year could well be a possibility.
I think it could be done. If fans are honest (might be a struggle for the Canes fans) then before the Welsh series last year there was nothing to suggest that BB would leap frog Cruden. Also, Sopoaga spent a long time being not outstanding before his breakthrough year.
A good year at 10 for the Chiefs next year and 2nd year Syndrome for JB and he could be sitting pretty.
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RS interviewed Crotty just after 5pm today, he said he likes to go for a single year contract. keeps him on his toes and pushes him to keep in form, and said he is lucky that NZR have allowed him to do it.
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Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
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Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
@mariner4life if your initials are SBW, everything you do is deemed incorrect and purely for the money.
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Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
I didn't know he was only doing one year extensions, I think he's a dick for hanging out with a Muslim hate preacher who says gays are worse than animals. Hell of an athlete though, no argument there.
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Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
@mariner4life A huge difference between SBW and Crotty is that Crotty has never switched codes or even teams. He's is one of the greatest examples of loyalty to NZR/Crusaders. The criticism that SBW faced had to do with perceived lack of loyalty and unwillingness to commit properly to NZR because he's been going back and forth to league and has switched teams quite often. So, apples and oranges, you can't compare both players in this respect and that will most likely explain any lack of criticism about a one-year contract for Crotty.
By the way, he is currently on a 2-year contract.
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Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
To be fair, Crotty's rep career pretty much encompasses Canterbury, Crusaders and ABs.
SBWs encompasses Canterbury, NZRL, Toulon, a different Canterbury, ABs, Crusaders, Chiefs, Panasonic, Roosters, Counties, Sevens, Blues and assorted boxing matches.
I'd accept that one guy likes to be kept on his toes - the other guy seems to like to keep his options open!
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I have to say considering how generally woeful super rugby has become, NZ teams other than the Blues notwithstanding, we are doing a great job at hanging onto most of our talent. They must enjoy their rugby in NZ.
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
To be fair, Crotty's rep career pretty much encompasses Canterbury, Crusaders and ABs.
SBWs encompasses Canterbury, NZRL, Toulon, a different Canterbury, ABs, Crusaders, Chiefs, Panasonic, Roosters, Counties, Sevens, Blues and assorted boxing matches.
I'd accept that one guy likes to be kept on his toes - the other guy seems to like to keep his options open!
@Chris-B. said in Exodus 2017:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
To be fair, Crotty's rep career pretty much encompasses Canterbury, Crusaders and ABs.
SBWs encompasses Canterbury, NZRL, Toulon, a different Canterbury, ABs, Crusaders, Chiefs, Panasonic, Roosters, Counties, Sevens, Blues and assorted boxing matches.
I'd accept that one guy likes to be kept on his toes - the other guy seems to like to keep his options open!
Well put.
In other news, the North Queensland sun has been shown to rot your brain.
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@Chris-B. said in Exodus 2017:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
To be fair, Crotty's rep career pretty much encompasses Canterbury, Crusaders and ABs.
SBWs encompasses Canterbury, NZRL, Toulon, a different Canterbury, ABs, Crusaders, Chiefs, Panasonic, Roosters, Counties, Sevens, Blues and assorted boxing matches.
I'd accept that one guy likes to be kept on his toes - the other guy seems to like to keep his options open!
Well put.
In other news, the North Queensland sun has been shown to rot your brain.
@Frye said in Exodus 2017:
@Chris-B. said in Exodus 2017:
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
To be fair, Crotty's rep career pretty much encompasses Canterbury, Crusaders and ABs.
SBWs encompasses Canterbury, NZRL, Toulon, a different Canterbury, ABs, Crusaders, Chiefs, Panasonic, Roosters, Counties, Sevens, Blues and assorted boxing matches.
I'd accept that one guy likes to be kept on his toes - the other guy seems to like to keep his options open!
Well put.
In other news, the North Queensland sun has been shown to rot your brain.
How would they find a large enough sample size for that study?
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Seems like a savvy move by Crotty's management. Even if he tore his ACL during the Rugby Championship and missed the remainder of the season and most of Super Rugby next year he would still be offered a similar contract to what he has now for at least one more season.
If he performs well between now and the EOYT he can hold the NZRUs feet to the fire a little more and build up his name.
Currently I'm not sure the Crotty name does much more at the box office than guys like Taylor, Slade and Benson Stanley.
NZ should have made him commit to 2019 or GTFO.
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Chiefs just posted photos from a farewell dinner.
I knew TKB, Cruden, Leitch, Lowe and Elliot were off. But they also had Tom Sanders there, anyone know where he's off to?
@Frye said in Exodus 2017:
Chiefs just posted photos from a farewell dinner.
I knew TKB, Cruden, Leitch, Lowe and Elliot were off. But they also had Tom Sanders there, anyone know where he's off to?
There was mention in the Waikato Times pre-Brumbies match that Sanders is expected to sign with the Crusaders. That would be the most obvious move.
I hope that Cooper signs Luke Jacobson as the replacement 6/8. With Leitch also leaving there is an opening there.
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
Interesting. I remember when another AB midfielder used to do the same thing. And the NZ rugby public went utterly feral. So a 1-year contract doesn't mean you don't have the ABs best interests at heart? You are not a mercenary? You are not selfish?
huh
To be fair, Crotty's rep career pretty much encompasses Canterbury, Crusaders and ABs.
SBWs encompasses Canterbury, NZRL, Toulon, a different Canterbury, ABs, Crusaders, Chiefs, Panasonic, Roosters, Counties, Sevens, Blues and assorted boxing matches.
I'd accept that one guy likes to be kept on his toes - the other guy seems to like to keep his options open!
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Seems like a savvy move by Crotty's management. Even if he tore his ACL during the Rugby Championship and missed the remainder of the season and most of Super Rugby next year he would still be offered a similar contract to what he has now for at least one more season.
If he performs well between now and the EOYT he can hold the NZRUs feet to the fire a little more and build up his name.
Currently I'm not sure the Crotty name does much more at the box office than guys like Taylor, Slade and Benson Stanley.
NZ should have made him commit to 2019 or GTFO.
@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
Seems like a savvy move by Crotty's management. Even if he tore his ACL during the Rugby Championship and missed the remainder of the season and most of Super Rugby next year he would still be offered a similar contract to what he has now for at least one more season.
If he performs well between now and the EOYT he can hold the NZRUs feet to the fire a little more and build up his name.
Currently I'm not sure the Crotty name does much more at the box office than guys like Taylor, Slade and Benson Stanley.
NZ should have made him commit to 2019 or GTFO.
Or, just treat good employees with respect.
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@rotated said in Exodus 2017:
Seems like a savvy move by Crotty's management. Even if he tore his ACL during the Rugby Championship and missed the remainder of the season and most of Super Rugby next year he would still be offered a similar contract to what he has now for at least one more season.
If he performs well between now and the EOYT he can hold the NZRUs feet to the fire a little more and build up his name.
Currently I'm not sure the Crotty name does much more at the box office than guys like Taylor, Slade and Benson Stanley.
NZ should have made him commit to 2019 or GTFO.
Or, just treat good employees with respect.
@Rapido said in Exodus 2017:
Or, just treat good employees with respect.
I hope a two year deal wouldn't be too disrespectful for Crotty.
I wouldn't let Hansen or Read go on year to year deals, nor any core player. We have a surplus of midfielders if you aren't committed to the cause then Europe is nice.
If he feels passionate about staying on his toes - match payments.
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@Rapido said in Exodus 2017:
Or, just treat good employees with respect.
I hope a two year deal wouldn't be too disrespectful for Crotty.
I wouldn't let Hansen or Read go on year to year deals, nor any core player. We have a surplus of midfielders if you aren't committed to the cause then Europe is nice.
If he feels passionate about staying on his toes - match payments.
@rotated I think a player like Crotty has already shown plenty of commitment to the cause over the years and the coaches and NZR know that. He's not a journey man. If they select players who have already signed overseas (Cruden, TKB and Faumuina for the Lions tour), they'll certainly be happy with the commitment for one year of other All Blacks (TJP is currently on a one-year contract). I don't understand the fuss some people are making, geez.
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@Rapido said in Exodus 2017:
Or, just treat good employees with respect.
I hope a two year deal wouldn't be too disrespectful for Crotty.
I wouldn't let Hansen or Read go on year to year deals, nor any core player. We have a surplus of midfielders if you aren't committed to the cause then Europe is nice.
If he feels passionate about staying on his toes - match payments.
@rotated I expect if Read or Hansen wanted a yearly contract NZR would accommodate, I am sure Crotty could probably command a better $$$ if he did go for a longer one, but if he is comfortable with it and NZR is, I don't see the problem.
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@Chris-B. multi-talented international star with 14-year international career across two codes in "having more opportunities than solid if un-spectacular journeyman with 3-year international career" shocker.
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2017:
@Chris-B. multi-talented international star with 14-year international career across two codes in "having more opportunities than solid if un-spectacular journeyman with 3-year international career" shocker.
...and availing himself of those opportunities, sometimes with significant backtracking on previous commitments. "A man is entitled to change his mind...".
You questioned why the punters didn't like SBW going on a one year contract, but are relaxed about Crotty.
It's pretty obvious.
How many rounds in a 12 round fight?!!!!
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It's racism, and kiwis hating a flash fluffybunny.
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Malakai Fekitoa apparently confirmed off to Toulon.
