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    @KiwiMurph said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

    @Dice @African-Monkey Yes certainly the omission of Simon Hickey from a) the captaincy and b ) the squad makes me very happy.

    Im holding off getting too excited though - Nick White's first year as head coach last year was abysmal - he gets a bit of a pass due to the weird ruck rules last year but Auckland were very poorly coached - I'm hopeful but not expectant.

    Oh yes, no Hickey for once! What makes me doubly happy is that Hickey's double, Elkington-McDonald, didn't get selected. I was worried we were going to pick him again. We still have the other Hickey though...

    White is my biggest worry this year. I hope he's at least average, because that'd be a big upgrade to last year.

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    @Dice had a chat to a player who was in the Auckland squad last year that has moved to another province,reckons many of the super players came back with a crap attitude,did'nt seem to care,Akira Ioane after a stellar previous season always found a reason not to train..I went to the Ta$man game last year,not one of their locks,some of them with Super rugby experience could take a kick off receive to save themselves that night,it was embarrassing,they also struggled once starting props left the field,in the last 20 they always seemed to struggle at scrum set piece..
    Looks a stronger team on paper,there should be a couple of boys with a point to prove,Tuipulotu & Ioane for starters.

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      @Dice had a chat to a player who was in the Auckland squad last year that has moved to another province,reckons many of the super players came back with a crap attitude,did'nt seem to care,Akira Ioane after a stellar previous season always found a reason not to train..I went to the Ta$man game last year,not one of their locks,some of them with Super rugby experience could take a kick off receive to save themselves that night,it was embarrassing,they also struggled once starting props left the field,in the last 20 they always seemed to struggle at scrum set piece..
      Looks a stronger team on paper,there should be a couple of boys with a point to prove,Tuipulotu & Ioane for starters.

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      @Steven-Harris said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

      @Dice had a chat to a player who was in the Auckland squad last year that has moved to another province,reckons many of the super players came back with a crap attitude,did'nt seem to care,Akira Ioane after a stellar previous season always found a reason not to train.

      That pisses me off to hear, and I'm not even a Blues or Auckland fan.

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        @Steven-Harris said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

        @Dice had a chat to a player who was in the Auckland squad last year that has moved to another province,reckons many of the super players came back with a crap attitude,did'nt seem to care,Akira Ioane after a stellar previous season always found a reason not to train..I went to the Ta$man game last year,not one of their locks,some of them with Super rugby experience could take a kick off receive to save themselves that night,it was embarrassing,they also struggled once starting props left the field,in the last 20 they always seemed to struggle at scrum set piece..
        Looks a stronger team on paper,there should be a couple of boys with a point to prove,Tuipulotu & Ioane for starters.

        Interesting. Only Ben Lam and Pasquelle Dunn have gone to another province from last years team... I'm not sure why an active player would disclose this sort of information though, it seems pretty risky, because if told to the wrong person, they could easily be outed, and the information could be put out there for everyone to see. And if that was the case, and they remained at the team or saw the players around, it'd be pretty awkward.

        I know some thought Akira was poor last season, but outside of the last two games, I thought he was pretty good. He and Rieko were the only reason we won any games at all last year, and they also kept us in some games we eventually lost.

        Here are Akira's stats from last year:

        139 carries
        589 metres gained
        59 beaten defenders
        13 linebreaks
        11 offloads
        77 tackles - 7 missed - 91.2% tackle completion

        Stats aren't everything, but for the most part, his stats matched the eye test for me. If it weren't for the last couple of games, he was on track for a great season, rather than just a pretty good one.

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          http://files.allblacks.com/NZRU_Media_Releases/2017/ALL_2017_M10C_SQUADS.pdf

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              @Steven-Harris said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

              @Dice had a chat to a player who was in the Auckland squad last year that has moved to another province,reckons many of the super players came back with a crap attitude,did'nt seem to care,Akira Ioane after a stellar previous season always found a reason not to train..I went to the Ta$man game last year,not one of their locks,some of them with Super rugby experience could take a kick off receive to save themselves that night,it was embarrassing,they also struggled once starting props left the field,in the last 20 they always seemed to struggle at scrum set piece..
              Looks a stronger team on paper,there should be a couple of boys with a point to prove,Tuipulotu & Ioane for starters.

              Interesting. Only Ben Lam and Pasquelle Dunn have gone to another province from last years team... I'm not sure why an active player would disclose this sort of information though, it seems pretty risky, because if told to the wrong person, they could easily be outed, and the information could be put out there for everyone to see. And if that was the case, and they remained at the team or saw the players around, it'd be pretty awkward.

              I know some thought Akira was poor last season, but outside of the last two games, I thought he was pretty good. He and Rieko were the only reason we won any games at all last year, and they also kept us in some games we eventually lost.

              Here are Akira's stats from last year:

              139 carries
              589 metres gained
              59 beaten defenders
              13 linebreaks
              11 offloads
              77 tackles - 7 missed - 91.2% tackle completion

              Stats aren't everything, but for the most part, his stats matched the eye test for me. If it weren't for the last couple of games, he was on track for a great season, rather than just a pretty good one.

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              @Dice for what is worth it's was'nt any of the 2 mentioned players,but I reckon it's only fair i keep the player anonymous as I had asked the player off the record,as I had also heard whispers from people within the union.

              If you think back to last year,the only premiership team Auckland beat was Hawkes Bay,and that was a fortune victory as Ihaia West missed a penalty right on full time.It also suggests to me they could not sustain tempo in games against the premiership teams

              For the squad they had,they were a real disappointment,Akira for all the stats,had a terrible habit of waiting for contact,as opposed to going into contact,and the one stat I don't see is offloads,the number of times he took it upon himself to stand and wait for contact was ridiculous,when an off load or pass would have been the better option simply because he does attract many tacklers because of his power.

              Not a Simon Hickey fan,but I actually thought he was one of the better players from last years squad,I suspect that one of the big issues that this union has,is lack of good Good old hard work ethic,I have nephew in one of Mitre 10 cup squads,it's his first year,and he can't speak highly enough about the super players that have come back to this level of rugby in terms of support for the new players.

              It's a shame Jerome Kaino is tied up with the All Blacks ,I could'nt think of a better player to have around this group for the whole season.

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                Someone posted a short video of the Auckland game from the weekend

                A haka & some shitty pre season defence. Whoever made the video is a fan of goal kicks more than tries..

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                  A few summarizing comments about that Mako$ team.

                  1. I wonder who the captain is? I'd be inclined to think Alex Ainley - but, at his age, he won't be on the field for every minute of every game - maybe Taufua or Samu?

                  2. It's a smaller squad than last year - significant losses from last year (from memory) - Jesse MacDonald, Ross Geldenhuys, Shane Christie, Tevita Koloamatangi, Marty Banks, Kieran Fonotia, Caleb Makene - plus a couple who barely featured. Banks (especially) and Christie are serious losses.

                  3. Significant gains - Ti'i Paulo, Jordan Taufua, Will Jordan - plus some rookies I know little or nothing about - Coxon and Aumua. Paulo, Taufua and Jordan should be upgrades on MacDonald, Koloamatangi and Hunt (as a fullback).

                  4. The starting XV looks pretty strong, but if injuries bite in crucial positions we could be badly exposed - cover looks particularly thin at tighthead prop and first five. With a squad of only 28 it's hard to know who else is around to be called up.

                  5. We don't really have a specialist openside - I presume Samu will start there with Blackadder as cover.

                  6. Joass makes the team, but neither of the other Ta$man NZ sevens players - Knewstubb or Ng Shiu - are in there - but, maybe they have signed elsewhere?

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                  @Chris-B. said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

                  A few summarizing comments about that Mako$ team.

                  1. I wonder who the captain is? I'd be inclined to think Alex Ainley - but, at his age, he won't be on the field for every minute of every game - maybe Taufua or Samu?

                  2. It's a smaller squad than last year - significant losses from last year (from memory) - Jesse MacDonald, Ross Geldenhuys, Shane Christie, Tevita Koloamatangi, Marty Banks, Kieran Fonotia, Caleb Makene - plus a couple who barely featured. Banks (especially) and Christie are serious losses.

                  3. Significant gains - Ti'i Paulo, Jordan Taufua, Will Jordan - plus some rookies I know little or nothing about - Coxon and Aumua. Paulo, Taufua and Jordan should be upgrades on MacDonald, Koloamatangi and Hunt (as a fullback).

                  4. The starting XV looks pretty strong, but if injuries bite in crucial positions we could be badly exposed - cover looks particularly thin at tighthead prop and first five. With a squad of only 28 it's hard to know who else is around to be called up.

                  5. We don't really have a specialist openside - I presume Samu will start there with Blackadder as cover.

                  6. Joass makes the team, but neither of the other Ta$man NZ sevens players - Knewstubb or Ng Shiu - are in there - but, maybe they have signed elsewhere?

                  A few selection coups for Ta$man.

                  Will Jordan obviously.

                  Plus Ryan Coxon, the U20s THP. From Cambridge.
                  I hadn't worked out who was preferred starting THP in this years U20s out of him and the hyphenated magpie. Before he got injured out of the tournament.

                  Think he had good press.

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                  • DuluthD Duluth

                    Someone posted a short video of the Auckland game from the weekend

                    A haka & some shitty pre season defence. Whoever made the video is a fan of goal kicks more than tries..

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                    @Duluth Who was the Sannix player returning fire in the haka? Good man.

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                      @Duluth Who was the Sannix player returning fire in the haka? Good man.

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                      @Wurzel

                      I think its Bryce Robins

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                        @Wurzel

                        I think its Bryce Robins

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                        @Duluth said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

                        @Wurzel

                        I think its Bryce Robins

                        Yes, former NZ Maori & Hurricanes player. Born in New Plymouth.

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                          @Chris-B. said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

                          A few summarizing comments about that Mako$ team.

                          1. I wonder who the captain is? I'd be inclined to think Alex Ainley - but, at his age, he won't be on the field for every minute of every game - maybe Taufua or Samu?

                          2. It's a smaller squad than last year - significant losses from last year (from memory) - Jesse MacDonald, Ross Geldenhuys, Shane Christie, Tevita Koloamatangi, Marty Banks, Kieran Fonotia, Caleb Makene - plus a couple who barely featured. Banks (especially) and Christie are serious losses.

                          3. Significant gains - Ti'i Paulo, Jordan Taufua, Will Jordan - plus some rookies I know little or nothing about - Coxon and Aumua. Paulo, Taufua and Jordan should be upgrades on MacDonald, Koloamatangi and Hunt (as a fullback).

                          4. The starting XV looks pretty strong, but if injuries bite in crucial positions we could be badly exposed - cover looks particularly thin at tighthead prop and first five. With a squad of only 28 it's hard to know who else is around to be called up.

                          5. We don't really have a specialist openside - I presume Samu will start there with Blackadder as cover.

                          6. Joass makes the team, but neither of the other Ta$man NZ sevens players - Knewstubb or Ng Shiu - are in there - but, maybe they have signed elsewhere?

                          A few selection coups for Ta$man.

                          Will Jordan obviously.

                          Plus Ryan Coxon, the U20s THP. From Cambridge.
                          I hadn't worked out who was preferred starting THP in this years U20s out of him and the hyphenated magpie. Before he got injured out of the tournament.

                          Think he had good press.

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                          @Rapido Thanks - I know nothing about Coxon, but we need him to be good. It's been very handy having four of the better NPC props as a rotation, so we'll miss Geldenhuys. Be handy if Coxon or Hill can at least hold up the scrum competently from the subs bench.

                          Google has told me that Levi Aumua is a 120kg centre who comes via Queensland and Bordeaux.

                          http://redsrugby.com.au/NRC/nrcplayerprofile.aspx?pid=425

                          He'll be handy if he's like Nadolo or Jonah, but I'm not particularly hopeful!

                          In another answer to my questions - I see both Knewstubb and Ng Shui are down to play in the Ta$man team vs Wellington tomorrow.

                          Ta$man squad - effectively 27 with Squire unlikely to be available much if at all seems a fair bit leaner than most others - but, I guess they've got a few to call in if necessary.

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                            Northland Team to play North Harbour @ QBE Stadium, Albany.
                            Kick-off TODAY @ 2:30pm

                            1. Howard Sililoto
                            2. Matt Moulds
                            3. Namatahi Waa
                            4. Tim Bond
                            5. Josh Goodhue
                            6. Murray Douglas
                            7. Jack Ram
                            8. Matt Matich
                            9. Sam Nock
                            10. Peter Breen
                            11. Rene Ranger
                            12. Troy Gilbert
                            13. Tamati Tua
                            14. Jordan Hyland
                            15. Matty Wright
                            16. Ross Wright
                            17. Ropate Rinakama
                            18. Phil Kite
                            19. Chris Apoua
                            20. Josh Larsen
                            21. Kara Pryor
                            22. Dan Pryor
                            23. Jacob Matiu
                            24. Michael Faleafa
                            25. Matty Markwick
                            26. Dan Hawkins
                            27. Monty Lama
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                              Northland Team to play North Harbour @ QBE Stadium, Albany.
                              Kick-off TODAY @ 2:30pm

                              1. Howard Sililoto
                              2. Matt Moulds
                              3. Namatahi Waa
                              4. Tim Bond
                              5. Josh Goodhue
                              6. Murray Douglas
                              7. Jack Ram
                              8. Matt Matich
                              9. Sam Nock
                              10. Peter Breen
                              11. Rene Ranger
                              12. Troy Gilbert
                              13. Tamati Tua
                              14. Jordan Hyland
                              15. Matty Wright
                              16. Ross Wright
                              17. Ropate Rinakama
                              18. Phil Kite
                              19. Chris Apoua
                              20. Josh Larsen
                              21. Kara Pryor
                              22. Dan Pryor
                              23. Jacob Matiu
                              24. Michael Faleafa
                              25. Matty Markwick
                              26. Dan Hawkins
                              27. Monty Lama
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                              @Steven-Harris you still gonna get along?

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                                @Steven-Harris you still gonna get along?

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                                @taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

                                @Steven-Harris you still gonna get along?,

                                will be there,as I am away for the first game against BOP on the 20th

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                                  @taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:

                                  @Steven-Harris you still gonna get along?,

                                  will be there,as I am away for the first game against BOP on the 20th

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                                  @Steven-Harris cool, expect NH will be fizzing to get one over us.

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                                    There has been no coverage of the Mitre 10 Cup squads from either the Herald or Stuff. Garbage papers.

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                                      The Auckland Rugby website isn't exactly prompt with updates

                                      They have just posted an article about the game from Saturday and talks about the upcoming 'game of 3 halves' that was in fact played yesterday

                                      The only info about yesterdays game seems to be that Auckland won the half against the Coca Cola Red Sparks 19-7

                                      http://www.aucklandrugby.co.nz/newsarticle/51033

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                                        The Mitre 10 Cup website is being filled with season previews at the moment. Haven't read them yet, so don't know whether they are any good. Here are the team previews that are already available. I'll post the remaining ones (Counties, Ta$man & Hawke's Bay) later when they are available:

                                        Premiership test for North Harbour

                                        Otago look to build on 2016 effort

                                        Taniwha looking to breathe fire into Championship

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                                          Taranaki to build on Super Rugby exposure

                                          Manawatu players sticking with home

                                          Southland laying groundwork for better campaign

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