Force Goooooooone
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Good writing by Cully. Sometimes I don't like what he has to say, but most of the time he's right e.g.
They look at Hodgson and see everything they like about Australian rugby – passion, commitment, loyalty. And they look at SANZAAR and see hubris, a lack of accountability and a lack of concern.
Hodgo is a fucking legend. If we had more of him and less of fuckwits like Bieber, the game here would be in much better health.
Super Rugby will go on, but will Australians care?
Nope. If the next two months goes badly for the Wallabies, we'll need life support for the code.
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@Godder I don't think everyone agrees at all.
Based on what have read on G&G and theroar a lot of people feel that the ARU should maintain a national footprint and it is difficult to fault that opinion.
The real problem is that the SANZAR unions have put all their eggs in the soup basket. But at the same time soup rugby is not generating the money that SA and AUS rugby needs to fight off the northern clubs money which has in turn undermined the product to an extent where it is turning fans of the comp.
@SidBarret said in Force Goooooooone:
@Godder I don't think everyone agrees at all.
Based on what have read on G&G and theroar a lot of people feel that the ARU should maintain a national footprint and it is difficult to fault that opinion.
The real problem is that the SANZAR unions have put all their eggs in the soup basket. But at the same time soup rugby is not generating the money that SA and AUS rugby needs to fight off the northern clubs money which has in turn undermined the product to an extent where it is turning fans of the comp.
By "everyone", I mean the franchises and states - the ARU had a Special General Meeting to discuss it, and the SGM agreed that a franchise should be cut.
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RugbyWA have gained an injunction order against the ARU's decision to axe the Western Force from the Super Rugby competition.
The Force have lodged an appeal of their axing to the NSW Supreme Court and the injunction order means the ARU can't sack or relocate players until the issue is sorted.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11903949
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is this a good or bad distraction for the Wallabies...
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@Billy-Tell said in Force Goooooooone:
What a shambles. Personally think getting rid of the brumbies would have been the way to go, despite their success.
Financially I'd have thought the brumbies were gone. But they are the most successful Aussie franchise, how would that look...
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Honestly, SANZAAR shouldn't be the ones running Super Rugby. You look at most other major pro comps around the world and they're run by organisations that exist solely to look after and grow their comps. Then you look at Super Rugby and there's three (now four but I'm not sure how much influence the Argies have) different unions with different interests constantly pulling the comp in different directions. That's why we got the fifth Aussie team, the fifth and sixth SA teams, the Japanese team, the god awful conference system, shit teams being handed token spots in the finals, the June test break right in the worst possible spot, the absolutely fucked schedule and now three teams being dropped (one of which was the second best team in the Aussie conference).
Most of those problems were obvious and pointed out long beforehand but SANZAAR never gave a shit how much they hurt the comp because each union was getting what they wanted and they all seemed to figure the comp could just work around their goals.
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I don't know why the Aussies are having a whinge about SANZAAR. Last time i checked the Aussies made up 1/3 of SANZAR when expansion started. The ARU are the ones that pushed for a new Aust team in the AFL fortress. They are the ones that fucked up by not including clauses in their franchise contracts allowing them to cut/change teams and they are the ones who have failed to provide enough high quality players for their teams by throwing money at league players and guys like Beiba while neglecting grass roots.
SANZAAR deserve criticism but the ARU are part of that.
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It's getting more and more "interesting".
The $20 million deal that punted the Western Force out of Super Rugby
@Stargazer said in Force Goooooooone:
It's getting more and more "interesting".
The $20 million deal that punted the Western Force out of Super Rugby
Massive stretch at the end of the article re team names and where they're from
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I heard a rumor they are in talks with the sun rebels now about a merger.
MY source is reddit so I will take it with a pinch of salt but its an interesting idea.
@mooshld said in Force Goooooooone:
I heard a rumor they are in talks with the sun rebels now about a merger.
MY source is reddit so I will take it with a pinch of salt but its an interesting idea.
The same sauce that named the AB side before it was announced on sacred Thursday....
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Force Supreme Court decision handed down:
http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2017/09/04/23/37/force-aru-supreme-court-decision
The Western Force has had its appeal dismissed in the Supreme Court this morning, meaning the club is still set for the Super Rugby axe. The club's billionaire backer Andrew Forrest has flagged taking the fight to the Court of Appeal and the High Court, any further action would be determined by whether or not the club can gain an injunction to again pause the process. If you would like to read the full explanation of the appeal and the subsequent decision, click here. In the discussion part of the document, Justice Hammerschlag explained the basis of his decision by delving into the legalities of the Alliance Agreement. ...It waffles on from there into the legalese.
Most importantly: Best Judge name ever.
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What I really would like to know is what they are going to do with all these players that are (still) contracted to the Force. These guys and their families need financial security and have already been waiting for a long time. What's going to happen to them? I can't remember reading about any firm plans from the ARU about ensuring that these players aren't without a job after the NRC/international season.
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@booboo said in Force Goooooooone:
So Forrest will start his own comp
He won't. He can't. The ARU is the ruling union in the country. No one else is going to play in Twiggy's comp because those unions (New Zealand, South Africa, etc.) want to be able to play internationally and he doesn't have a bottomless pit of money.
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He can because as long as his players are registered with the ARFU all they have to do is apply for an international clearance to be able to play in a match overseas. Provided the players are not holders of any ARFU professional contract there is no valid reason for the ARFU to withhold the clearance. About the only impediment looks to be the players local club and they can only withhold their clearance if they have not paid their subscription (or not returned all club issued gear). Similarly all incoming players only need a clearance from their home union.
Having said that you are right, it will cost him a huge amount of money to run so unless he gets some major buy in from the Japan RFU it will mostly have to come out of his own pocket as sponsorship is unlikely to go anywhere near covering the costs.
