Bledisloe 2
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
@akan004 Cheika obviously missed two AB tries being disallowed.
With a coach who always feels the world is against his team, they will never improve.
Foley reckons the Wallabies were in control of the game right throughout. Is that why you gave up a 17 point lead, you farking idiot? I really hope we demolish them in Brisbane. Sick of them talking themselves up all the time.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
@akan004 Cheika obviously missed two AB tries being disallowed.
With a coach who always feels the world is against his team, they will never improve.
Foley reckons the Wallabies were in control of the game right throughout. Is that why you gave up a 17 point lead, you farking idiot? I really hope we demolish them in Brisbane. Sick of them talking themselves up all the time.
That won't happen. They will be managing players as that Test is just before the EOYT. I expect they will name a team with a few fringe players and rest those that have had lots of minutes this year.
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@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan Havili, DMac, BB, Dagg, and NMS are the options in the squad.
They are all options but I don't know who I would go with. I think I would prefer Dagg get some time there, though his last outing at 15 didn't go so well.
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@Billy-Tell slipping
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They just showed a few examples of why Dmac's lack of height is a problem. When competing for the high ball with a much taller player (Folau, who obviously won the contest), when isolated at the back of the field (being run over) etc. It's clear why opposition teams will target him.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
They just showed a few examples of why Dmac's lack of height is a problem. When competing for the high ball with a much taller player (Folau, who obviously won the contest), when isolated at the back of the field (being run over) etc. It's clear why opposition teams will target him.
I think the problem with D Mac is that he doesn't seem like he will be able to overcome his problems.
I suppose Dagg will be at 14 in two weeks time and we might get to see Havili?
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
So what do we do at 15?
We've got Jordie DMac and NMS along with Dagg. I look at BFAs sabbatical as an opportunity for these guys
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
So what do we do at 15?
We've got Jordie DMac and NMS along with Dagg. I look at BFAs sabbatical as an opportunity for these guys
Jordie is gone for year, he won't be playing.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:
So what do we do at 15?
We've got Jordie DMac and NMS along with Dagg. I look at BFAs sabbatical as an opportunity for these guys
Jordie is gone for year, he won't be playing.
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A great game to watch if you're sitting on the fence. You'll be a bit surly if your an Aussie fan, probably also if you're an All Black fan. DMac at the back makes me think of the word "frenetic". Maybe it's because Dagg and Smith don't try and be unpredictable, but always felt DMac was going to have a brain fart at any second.
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@akan004
Cheika seems to forget that first half penalty try Owens also forgot to give (when the Aussie Nr.6 touched the ball while retreating from an offside position only two metres from his own goal line).@cgrant said in Bledisloe 2:
@akan004
Cheika seems to forget that first half penalty try Owens also forgot to give (when the Aussie Nr.6 touched the ball while retreating from an offside position only two metres from his own goal line).On that incident, Smith really went looking for the yellow there. I wonder if it wasn't actually a forward pass from Smith anyway. I was sort of pissed at Smith because if he threw a good pass to Ioane, he might have scored anyway. If Hanigan if forced to make a tackle from an offside position, then it is definitely a yellow card and penalty try. I would have been tempted to give a yellow but, to balance that out, players have to be allowed to retreat and players should not be rewarded for milking penalties.
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They just showed a few examples of why Dmac's lack of height is a problem. When competing for the high ball with a much taller player (Folau, who obviously won the contest), when isolated at the back of the field (being run over) etc. It's clear why opposition teams will target him.
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
They just showed a few examples of why Dmac's lack of height is a problem. When competing for the high ball with a much taller player (Folau, who obviously won the contest), when isolated at the back of the field (being run over) etc. It's clear why opposition teams will target him.
Yes.
The differences between test rugby and Super rugby (and Super rugby and NPC for that matter) is that your strengths tend to be shut down and your weaknesses exacerbated.
For someone like DMac - he's sort of Christian Cullen - 20 years too late. His broken field running will be way less effective, because he'll get less time, less space, and he'll be rounded up quicker. But, his size will be exploited more - with contestable balls, rag-dolling him in tackles, and bouncing him back or off in defence. His AB future is surely at first five.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
They just showed a few examples of why Dmac's lack of height is a problem. When competing for the high ball with a much taller player (Folau, who obviously won the contest), when isolated at the back of the field (being run over) etc. It's clear why opposition teams will target him.
Yes.
The differences between test rugby and Super rugby (and Super rugby and NPC for that matter) is that your strengths tend to be shut down and your weaknesses exacerbated.
For someone like DMac - he's sort of Christian Cullen - 20 years too late. His broken field running will be way less effective, because he'll get less time, less space, and he'll be rounded up quicker. But, his size will be exploited more - with contestable balls, rag-dolling him in tackles, and bouncing him back or off in defence. His AB future is surely at first five.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:
They just showed a few examples of why Dmac's lack of height is a problem. When competing for the high ball with a much taller player (Folau, who obviously won the contest), when isolated at the back of the field (being run over) etc. It's clear why opposition teams will target him.
Yes.
The differences between test rugby and Super rugby (and Super rugby and NPC for that matter) is that your strengths tend to be shut down and your weaknesses exacerbated.
For someone like DMac - he's sort of Christian Cullen - 20 years too late. His broken field running will be way less effective, because he'll get less time, less space, and he'll be rounded up quicker. But, his size will be exploited more - with contestable balls, rag-dolling him in tackles, and bouncing him back or off in defence. His AB future is surely at first five.
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If there is one game during the RC to try Havili, it should be the easiest one. To me, that's the home game v the Pumas, but it may be too soon? I guess it all depends how he's going in the AB environment during the week, the things we don't get to see. Otherwise, hopefully Dagg at fullback. NMS was named in the squad as a wing, not as a fullback.
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@Chris-B. Will he be good enough at 10? We've got BB and Lima, he can be 3rd in line at best
@canefan That we have to see - and we won't know for a year or two. But, I don't see him being a longterm fullback option.
Right now, I'd say he's significantly behind Ben Smith and Jordie as a test fullback option, and probably behind Dagg (actually IMO a fair bit). I'd probably try Havili ahead of him for the next test if they don't go with Dagg.
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@canefan That we have to see - and we won't know for a year or two. But, I don't see him being a longterm fullback option.
Right now, I'd say he's significantly behind Ben Smith and Jordie as a test fullback option, and probably behind Dagg (actually IMO a fair bit). I'd probably try Havili ahead of him for the next test if they don't go with Dagg.
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Those calling for change at 15, I don't necessarily disagree but I think you're dreaming.
It seems the ABs have a plan in place re BFAs sabbatical, which is put DMac at 15 and have Smith/Dagg riding shotgun/babysitting. These coaches tend to stick by their players, so to suddenly change tact and play another rookie at 15, IMO it would be a massive vote of no confidence in DMac. Slightly different story if they put Dagg there with a Naholo or NMS on the wing, as that could be deemed a change in tactics...
Going to be one of the more interesting team namings coming up that's for sure...
