Bledisloe 2
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what was the final handling error/turnover count, at about 65 mins I think the graphic showed 18 to us and 9 to them.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
what was the final handling error/turnover count, at about 65 mins I think the graphic showed 18 to us and 9 to them.
Turnovers conceded:
NZ 18, Oz 9They don't seem to publish stats of handling errors.
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I think there were some ref issues, but they tend to balance out a bit, I don't think it was a great performance from Owens - but it wasn't a French switch off the mike and then change decision type performance.
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
The scrum before the Genia try I was thinking we might have got the penalty for the 8 reaching in and pulling the ball out from under the locks feet - I thought that was illegal. Also, there was another dominant scrum where the ball spilled out the side and it was allowed to play on - luckily it turned into a turnover for us. I don't think we got the rewards we deserved for our scrum dominance.
@Rapido I don't think the refs should change the way they make decisions because it's the last play of the day. At every ruck the refs say play it and then the 9 has time to play it before the defenders can come round. Why change it for the last play of the game?
Maybe SBW should have been stood down for this match, he didn't seem 100% from the get go but then again our midfielders seem to be half broken all the time. Crotty can't get through 60 minutes of rugby without getting two injuries and a knock to the head.
I think the Wallabies (there you go @NTA) rode their luck really well in the first half and were deserved of their lead, but I always had the belief we'd pull them back (their final two tries I didn't expect though) once we got going and that proved to be the case.
I think BBBR should have got a yellow for the off the ball hit on Hooper (although there really should be a free hit on Hooper similar to the free hit on Gopperth back in his Canes days ;)) but the correct decision was made on the ruck. You could clearly see the players were tangled on the first shot which wasn't actually replayed by the TMO. Hooper carried on like a goose over that but what do you expect when you have an idiot like Cheika in charge.
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I think there were some ref issues, but they tend to balance out a bit, I don't think it was a great performance from Owens - but it wasn't a French switch off the mike and then change decision type performance.
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
The scrum before the Genia try I was thinking we might have got the penalty for the 8 reaching in and pulling the ball out from under the locks feet - I thought that was illegal. Also, there was another dominant scrum where the ball spilled out the side and it was allowed to play on - luckily it turned into a turnover for us. I don't think we got the rewards we deserved for our scrum dominance.
@Rapido I don't think the refs should change the way they make decisions because it's the last play of the day. At every ruck the refs say play it and then the 9 has time to play it before the defenders can come round. Why change it for the last play of the game?
Maybe SBW should have been stood down for this match, he didn't seem 100% from the get go but then again our midfielders seem to be half broken all the time. Crotty can't get through 60 minutes of rugby without getting two injuries and a knock to the head.
I think the Wallabies (there you go @NTA) rode their luck really well in the first half and were deserved of their lead, but I always had the belief we'd pull them back (their final two tries I didn't expect though) once we got going and that proved to be the case.
I think BBBR should have got a yellow for the off the ball hit on Hooper (although there really should be a free hit on Hooper similar to the free hit on Gopperth back in his Canes days ;)) but the correct decision was made on the ruck. You could clearly see the players were tangled on the first shot which wasn't actually replayed by the TMO. Hooper carried on like a goose over that but what do you expect when you have an idiot like Cheika in charge.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
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@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
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I just watched the presser with Cheika and Hooper, and I don't know what the fuss is about.
The incident with Retallick and Hooper was obviously something he was incensed with, however throughout the rest of the presser he was articulate and even jovial at points.
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
But he said clearly that not shutting the game out with 3 minutes to go was all on us.
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
I'm still on the Savea bandwagon
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
I'm still on the Savea bandwagon
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
I think everyone knew he had the talent but plenty of players aren't able to convert that talent. What makes Ioane a bit special is that every time he touches the ball he looks like making ground and a lot of it is through guile. Most impressive is that Ioane made the right decision almost every time last night in regards to whether to step inside or pass it out. There was one situation in the second half where he caught a kick, hesitated, ran it out and threw a shocker. Apart from that his decision making was perfect. I don't think we can say that about Naholo or Jules recently.
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I just watched the presser with Cheika and Hooper, and I don't know what the fuss is about.
The incident with Retallick and Hooper was obviously something he was incensed with, however throughout the rest of the presser he was articulate and even jovial at points.
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
But he said clearly that not shutting the game out with 3 minutes to go was all on us.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
I just watched the presser with Cheika and Hooper, and I don't know what the fuss is about.
The incident with Retallick and Hooper was obviously something he was incensed with, however throughout the rest of the presser he was articulate and even jovial at points.
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
But he said clearly that not shutting the game out with 3 minutes to go was all on us.
He probably should have realised in regards to the offside penalty that Australia received a penalty 20 seconds later which they later scored from. Hard to see how that decision made a difference.
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@MN5 least you can look up to Ardie!
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
You could have been talking about Isaia Toeava for a minute there. Except he was pretty shit early and at best barely serviceable for most of his AB career
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
You could have been talking about Isaia Toeava for a minute there. Except he was pretty shit early and at best barely serviceable for most of his AB career
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 2:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe 2:
It's funny reading this thread and seeing the comments on Rieko - seriously, how have people only just now figured out how good he is?
Yeah, it's almost as annoying as know-it-all posts.
Nepia must know him. They're on a first name basis
I can't even spell his name. He's 5 tests into his career, he's been playing Super rugby, he was an age grade star ... I just find it weird that certain posters are just cottoning on to how good he is now, I have no insight, but have watched him play.
Anyway, weird thing for you two to get your knickers in a twist about.
You could have been talking about Isaia Toeava for a minute there. Except he was pretty shit early and at best barely serviceable for most of his AB career
Nooooooo , what have you done?
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I just watched the presser with Cheika and Hooper, and I don't know what the fuss is about.
The incident with Retallick and Hooper was obviously something he was incensed with, however throughout the rest of the presser he was articulate and even jovial at points.
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
But he said clearly that not shutting the game out with 3 minutes to go was all on us.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
Wobs got a penalty 20 seconds later when Hames went in from the side anyways, so doesn't matter.
The problem is, Cheika keeps banging on about how the decisions were unfavorable to the Wallabies, pointing out those 50/50s or maybe wrong decisions that went against them, but he doesn't recognize the two disallowed tries (Ben Smith & Retallick) which might have been given any other day (thought Ben Smith's would have been a try in 90 out of 100 games, and for Retallick, Owens clearly signalled a try with the pointing at the grounding).The point is, you win some, you lose some of these decisions and you just have to roll with it, there is no point in banging on about them, and that's what makes him appear unprofessional. If you always only point out the decisions that went against you, you're delusional and will continue to live in a fantasy world where everything and everyone is against you. It's childish and not befitting of a rugby coach, let alone a tier 1 national team's.
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I just watched the presser with Cheika and Hooper, and I don't know what the fuss is about.
The incident with Retallick and Hooper was obviously something he was incensed with, however throughout the rest of the presser he was articulate and even jovial at points.
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
But he said clearly that not shutting the game out with 3 minutes to go was all on us.
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@NTA would it have shifted momentum much if Hannigan had been binned? How about if when your whole back row is standing up and leaving the scrum before it's finished at every scrum as it's going backwards, they get penalised every time?
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I don't know what his aim is in highlighting these things - well the one with Hanigan getting tipped is obviously player safety and consistency in foul play laws. Maybe he's trying to put public pressure on referees? I don't know.
Like all of us, do you think he's looking at the penalties that went his way and saying "shit I better draw attention to those because I hated the way that turned out!" ? Nah probably not.
I hear people label his comments as "unprofessional" and based on past form there's a case for saying he's out of line. I'm not sure what "professional" remarks from a coach are supposed to look like - there isn't really a guide book on it besides not bringing the game into disrepute.
Does anyone think Cheika's remarks from the press conference bring the game into disrepute? its on YouTube.
Mostly though it seems to boil down to people saying he's got a bad case of sour grapes. Not going to change that perception until you do the same thing after you win a game, I suppose.
I've just watched the AB presser and its about 4 minutes shorter, and fairly straightforward of course. "We won. Sweet as. Move on."
No questions about broadband, disappointingly.
