Bledisloe 2
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I just watched the presser with Cheika and Hooper, and I don't know what the fuss is about.
The incident with Retallick and Hooper was obviously something he was incensed with, however throughout the rest of the presser he was articulate and even jovial at points.
The main thing he pointed out was the little decisions that didn't go our way that could have switched momentum. Gave the example of a DHP knock-on that was called versus the Barrett knock-on that wasn't, and could potentially have been a penalty to us with Perenara grabbing the ball after it bounced from an offside position.
But he said clearly that not shutting the game out with 3 minutes to go was all on us.
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@NTA would it have shifted momentum much if Hannigan had been binned? How about if when your whole back row is standing up and leaving the scrum before it's finished at every scrum as it's going backwards, they get penalised every time?
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I don't know what his aim is in highlighting these things - well the one with Hanigan getting tipped is obviously player safety and consistency in foul play laws. Maybe he's trying to put public pressure on referees? I don't know.
Like all of us, do you think he's looking at the penalties that went his way and saying "shit I better draw attention to those because I hated the way that turned out!" ? Nah probably not.
I hear people label his comments as "unprofessional" and based on past form there's a case for saying he's out of line. I'm not sure what "professional" remarks from a coach are supposed to look like - there isn't really a guide book on it besides not bringing the game into disrepute.
Does anyone think Cheika's remarks from the press conference bring the game into disrepute? its on YouTube.
Mostly though it seems to boil down to people saying he's got a bad case of sour grapes. Not going to change that perception until you do the same thing after you win a game, I suppose.
I've just watched the AB presser and its about 4 minutes shorter, and fairly straightforward of course. "We won. Sweet as. Move on."
No questions about broadband, disappointingly.
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I don't know what his aim is in highlighting these things - well the one with Hanigan getting tipped is obviously player safety and consistency in foul play laws. Maybe he's trying to put public pressure on referees? I don't know.
Like all of us, do you think he's looking at the penalties that went his way and saying "shit I better draw attention to those because I hated the way that turned out!" ? Nah probably not.
I hear people label his comments as "unprofessional" and based on past form there's a case for saying he's out of line. I'm not sure what "professional" remarks from a coach are supposed to look like - there isn't really a guide book on it besides not bringing the game into disrepute.
Does anyone think Cheika's remarks from the press conference bring the game into disrepute? its on YouTube.
Mostly though it seems to boil down to people saying he's got a bad case of sour grapes. Not going to change that perception until you do the same thing after you win a game, I suppose.
I've just watched the AB presser and its about 4 minutes shorter, and fairly straightforward of course. "We won. Sweet as. Move on."
No questions about broadband, disappointingly.
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As an aside:
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA By coincidence I've just watched both press conferences. Certainly Cheika is playing the victim at the start but the rest of his comments are fine. He even cracked some jokes.
I mentioned above that the AB presser is 4 minutes shorter (7 minutes v about 11 for Cheika).
I noted below that the Lions Third Test the visitors PC was about 18 minutes while home side about 12 - so shorter as well. Wonder if there is a pattern there for home v away teams.
End Random Thought.
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As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
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I often wondered if the ineptitude that is the ARU appreciates at this stage that any publicity (short of a win) keeps their code in the papers, ergo it's not a bad thing.
I was convinced last year's whinge fest by every Aus rugby pundit was purely a publicity stunt in a landscape losing out to AFL and NRL finals publicity.But mostly it's what Nick suggests. It's just Cheika's way - take it or leave it, he's got more important things to worry about.
At least he got his team to bite this week
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Cheika needs to speak to his employers about the scheduling of the Bledisloe Cup games. My understanding is that the ARU have asked for the first RC game to be in Sydney, so Aust always hosts NZ to start with.
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And that isn't a big deal IF say we get some warmup matches to get a bit of sting in the legs and just perhaps get a few suspension weeks burned
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And that isn't a big deal IF say we get some warmup matches to get a bit of sting in the legs and just perhaps get a few suspension weeks burned
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
At the same time though, his business is Australia's business, isn't it? I've seen plenty of comments from Aussie fans who sick of his victim complex and siege mentality bullshit.
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@NTA Shag said similar, in that the real difference between the teams was the first 40 when the Wallabies all hadn't played in 4 weeks
As clever as technology and training methods develop there is no substitiute for age-old match conditioning
@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA Shag said similar, in that the real difference between the teams was the first 40 when the Wallabies all hadn't played in 4 weeks
As clever as technology and training methods develop there is no substitiute for age-old match conditioning
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
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@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA Shag said similar, in that the real difference between the teams was the first 40 when the Wallabies all hadn't played in 4 weeks
As clever as technology and training methods develop there is no substitiute for age-old match conditioning
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA Shag said similar, in that the real difference between the teams was the first 40 when the Wallabies all hadn't played in 4 weeks
As clever as technology and training methods develop there is no substitiute for age-old match conditioning
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
Or a game with our Island neighbours. Or Japan.....
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As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
I just wonder how effective he can be as a coach when he comes across as the worst sort of rabid one-eyed fan.
I mean I have mates (I know, I know) who act like Chieka does - histrionically questioning every decision as if it was the fifth trumpet of the apocalypse that sounded rather than a refs whistle.
Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
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@Siam said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA Shag said similar, in that the real difference between the teams was the first 40 when the Wallabies all hadn't played in 4 weeks
As clever as technology and training methods develop there is no substitiute for age-old match conditioning
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
Also a good point - one of the issues being we didn't have available top-flight players, as our Premier club seasons were still running up until the weekend.
EDIT: Naturally, organising games with those clubs who were NOT involved in Premier Club finals could also have been done. And I don't know why we didn't. We showed the last 120 minutes of our Test rugby was superior to the first 40.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 2:
If only there was a way to organise an in house warmup game in a five week period! Obviously umpossible.
Also a good point - one of the issues being we didn't have available top-flight players, as our Premier club seasons were still running up until the weekend.
EDIT: Naturally, organising games with those clubs who were NOT involved in Premier Club finals could also have been done. And I don't know why we didn't. We showed the last 120 minutes of our Test rugby was superior to the first 40.
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@NTA A bit concerning that the Wallaby coaches didn't see this coming - after pretty much the exact same issue last year - Brumbies only team in playoffs - get spanked Bledisloe 1 in Sydney.
@KiwiMurph I think the game of 3 halves is a good example of making a game for the sake of needing a game, especially for those teams not involved in the finals, and for the Wallabies, surely a probable vs possible type match up would have been the go.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
As for the conduct in the coaches box: I believe I've said before that if Shag & Co want to sit there like they've been forced to attend their least favourite cousin's wedding, they're more than welcome.
Cheika may go OTT but that's his business. You may think he looks like a dick doing it, and that's your business.
I just wonder how effective he can be as a coach when he comes across as the worst sort of rabid one-eyed fan.
I mean I have mates (I know, I know) who act like Chieka does - histrionically questioning every decision as if it was the fifth trumpet of the apocalypse that sounded rather than a refs whistle.
Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
@dogmeat said in Bledisloe 2:
...Admire their passion but don't listen to a word they say and occasionally have to simply tell them to shut the fuck up!
That's fine with your drinking buddy - but your coach?
You don't have to sit there sphinx like as Shag does - but I know who comes across more like someone who has an opinion I might actually care to hear
I quite liked Heyneke Meyer - was passionate about his side, showed it in the coaches box, but was a good bloke and not a whiny little bitch like Cheika
