All Blacks v Pumas

[Nepia]

@Bones @Tim With the preface again that I don't think DMac had a great game. Yeah, of course those errors are notable, but as I said earlier two of those drops he probably shouldn't have been the guy having to go in to take them.

But, for some context, f we're talking that game then (goalkicking aside as that's a separate issue) BB's errors could also have been costly, two unforced fluffed kick offs and a yellow card - yet there's hardly been a peep about those around here.

[taniwharugby]

IMO I think DMacs errors are the least of our problems, unless people think he is the cause of all the other issues in the team...:thinking:

[Crucial]

Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.

[Mokey]

@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@Nepia you've got to admit his stand out and as said are costly or can be costly. At times he looks like how I imagine Beaker would play rugby.

About the harshest call ever made on TSF.

[antipodean]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.

Good grief. He's the fullback. Are they only errors if the opposition kick straight down his throat?

[nzzp]

@Mokey said in All Blacks v Pumas:

About the harshest call ever made on TSF.

And one of the funniest. Once you see it ...

[hydro11]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.

Ben Smith, Dagg, Jordie, Lima, Beauden, Reiko and Havili all probably would have caught more of them than D Mac did. If we pick D Mac the South Africans will do the exact same thing to him.

[Crucial]

@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.

Ben Smith, Dagg, Jordie, Lima, Beauden, Reiko and Havili all probably would have caught more of them than D Mac did. If we pick D Mac the South Africans will do the exact same thing to him.

You know this how?

I'm not disputing that the tactic of mid range bombs is a good one. I seem to recall plenty of these type of kicks being missed during Super by the players you mention. I even recall Bender being beaten to the claim by DMac on one occasion.
Yes, it isn't a strength and his size does offer an opportunity when he has to run forward and can't gain as much height, but I still don't see those examples as being kicks that the players you mention would take 90% of the time as standard.

[Bones]

@Nepia I think the thing is probably that it's a culmination, rather than one specific game. The difference between DMac and BB being that BB is well proven.

[kiwiinmelb]

If Jordie had not got injured , no doubt he would be fb , I reckon that was their plan ,

Now with bender unavailable on top of that , they are playing what is effectively the number 3 in Dmac ,

I've got a feeling they will back him in until the other 2 return to keep the structure they want with the other players .

[Chris B.]

@Crash said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Early days, but there may be a new 10 on the radar to add to the riches; and give BB some kicking lessons - Mitch Hunt. Another off the Canterbury conveyor belt.

...except he's from Nelson!

A way to go for Mitch yet, I think.

[Winger]

@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes

He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go

[Winger]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.

I thought he had an ok+ game. But I would still like to see Sopoaga start at first with Barrett at FB. With NMS on one wing

I thought the midfield was a bit disappointing but hope they get another start. But bring on Laumape sooner if required (unless Crotty is fit)

Parenara also had his best game for the ABs. If he was consistent at this level he would be the starter

[Crucial]

@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes

He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go

What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.

[booboo]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes

He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go

What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.

Why is BB starting as kicker? Just use the superior kicker from the start

[Crucial]

@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas:

@pukunui I don't think it helps that BB doesn't kick for the canes

He kicked quite a bit this year. and last. But Jodie eventually took over but not from the word go

What gets me is that even the coaches acknowledge that when he has an off day with the boot it really is an off day. He should give himself 2 cracks at most and if it isn't working hand the tee to someone else. DMac is a superior kicker to BB as is Lima.

Why is BB starting as kicker? Just use the superior kicker from the start

I think they just have this thing where as the senior player he gets to say if he is kicking. I have seen him quoted as saying 'there is only one kicker' or similar. I get that is a way to put pressure on yourself to take responsibility but FFS if you are having a shit day and there is another option do the best for the team.

[taniwharugby]

Hansen has said they won't be starting Sopoaga at 10 and BB at the back

[Billy Tell]

He's a crap goalkicker. Unreliable. If it continues we will lose to England at Twickenham or Ireland in a RWC quarter final. Anyone salivating at that prospect? No thought not. Hansen should just stop defending the guy as a kicker and find someone who is a consistent 80% man.

[Donsteppa]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Hansen has said they won't be starting Sopoaga at 10 and BB at the back

Par for the course in 2017..

[KiwiMurph]

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas:

Can someone please list these DMac errors?
If you are talking about not collecting high balls from 20 metres away they are missed opportunities rather than errors. I wonder why the ball was put in that no mans land? To make it 50/50 perhaps.

What about the woeful bomb (that lead to Argie points i'm pretty sure) and the poor one on one missed tackle on an Argie for their try. Yes it was right on the line but he still should have made that tackle.