All Blacks v Pumas
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I think Read had been in good form, yes it has been indifferent in recent weeks and I guess you could say this has trickled on to everyone else, or is the indifferent form of others affecting him...
If you took the Captaincy off Read, is his position in the team really in danger?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
If you took the Captaincy off Read, is his position in the team really in danger?
Starting position? No
But he isn't the player he was 3-4 years ago and he should be getting subbed more often.
Whitelock you want on the field for 80mins as much as possible
I can't imagine Hansen making such a big change though
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
If you took the Captaincy off Read, is his position in the team really in danger?
Starting position? No
But he isn't the player he was 3-4 years ago and he should be getting subbed more often.
Whitelock you want on the field for 80mins as much as possible
I can't imagine Hansen making such a big change though
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Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
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@Duluth sub him for who? Often Ardie is the loosie bench.
Think we are struggling a bit form-wise, depth isn't as great in some positions, more width I think.
Not trying to defend him, just not sure on options.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
sub him for who? Often Ardie is the loosie bench.
Well I wouldn't have Ardie in the squad..
Finishing a match with some of these combos when Read is having one of his flat games would be useful
Cane/Squire/Kaino
Cane/Squire/Fafita
Cane/Ioane/Squire etc etcNo serious options for replacing him as a starter but there are options for subbing beyond just Ardie
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
were questions over McCaws leadership early on in his stint as Captain.
Very few over his actual form though, and that's the key.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
were questions over McCaws leadership early on in his stint as Captain.
Very few over his actual form though, and that's the key.
I watch what Whitelock does for the Crusaders compared to what Read does for the All Blacks and I would have Whitelock over Read in a heartbeat.
I still think Read is a great player but a bit of a hopeless captain.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas:
were questions over McCaws leadership early on in his stint as Captain.
Very few over his actual form though, and that's the key.
I watch what Whitelock does for the Crusaders compared to what Read does for the All Blacks and I would have Whitelock over Read in a heartbeat.
I still think Read is a great player but a bit of a hopeless captain.
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling errors all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
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@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling errors all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
You can flip flop with the best! Ever thought of running for office?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo It's a tough one....I think the last couple of games Read has stepped up and lead brilliantly in the closing/crucial minutes, but has gone into his shell for decent parts of the games and is making McCaw like handling skills all too much when he handles it a lot more than McCaw did...
That's a very fair point. I too have enjoyed how he has taken Captaincy Control for the tight closing stages. That what we want from our leaders.
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
Nope, that's an argument for someone else...
I'm a supporter of Barrett and want him to remain at 10. I was questioning your definiton of controlling the game
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@taniwharugby Baaaaahahaha. That's one way to shut up the knockers....
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
Reminiscent of my favourite Hooroo line:
Oh no, I'm against everything I stand for
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Pumas:
So I guess I am pretty much anti my previous post now.
Reminiscent of my favourite Hooroo line:
Oh no, I'm against everything I stand for
Islington Pool hall with you, Mrs Duluth and Dodge! I remember it vividly despite the amount that must have been consumed. I kind of forget what I was against though for me to change my tune. (Don't elborate on here)
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
Nope, that's an argument for someone else...
I'm a supporter of Barrett and want him to remain at 10. I was questioning your definiton of controlling the game
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Pumas:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Pumas:
Seems to me "control a game" means kicking goals. Never seems to be an issue when those kicks are going over.
It doesn't mean that at all.
Well feel free to elaborate...
The 10 is the principle playmaker in the team.. he "controls" or manages the game through his options taken when he gets the ball.
Are poor options or dropped ball by those outside him then his fault?
Nope, that's an argument for someone else...
I'm a supporter of Barrett and want him to remain at 10. I was questioning your definiton of controlling the game
That's not my definition. Not in the slightest. It just seems to be what people say when goal kicks are missed rather than anything different actually happening in general play.
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