All Blacks vs Boks
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57-0 wow didn't see that coming.
Ioane was shit hot. Savea isn't getting that spot back unless Ioane is injured.
Plenty of guys played well. SBW much better when he isn't trying to pull off an off load every touch.
Scott Barrett was good at 6. Great to have that cover on the bench.
Pity Squire went off though, he was looking good.BB's goal kicking was much better. More of that please.
Dmac was better this game but still showing a tendancy to run across field and get monstered.
That early high ball drop was bad too.As someone else said during the game Hames showed that all he is renowned for is giving away penalties. Crockett needs to start until Moody is back.
Ofa was good. Hopefully he has turned a corner.
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
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@SidBarret said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Quick thoughts.
Congrats to the all blacks and their fans. Should be very happy tonight.
For the springboks, too many guys not up to this level. Coetzee, Rhule, Kriel, Hougaard, Du Toit (as a flanker) Nyukane (as a tight head) Bongi can all fuck off.
Re the Reffing - whatever that was, it was not rugby game you were calling. Fuck off
I really don't get you Saffa fans.
You complain about Kriel yet you have Serfontien plodding around your backline like a fairy elephant.You complain about Bongi when Marx spent the entire match handing the ball to the ABs.
@Nepia Re Kriel - defensively poor, high error rate.
Serfontein is good enough, but not a star. Should have been star though.
Marx had a shocker at the line out, and deserves to be criticized, but has credit in the bank (line out tactics were poor as well). Bongi was bad everyawh6
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Few initial thoughts:
Excellent from ABs. Last 30 much better.
Lima's passing is much more 'sympathetic' than BB's, which allows outsides to run onto ball much better.
How come Lion's lineout combo so much worse than when they gave Saders problems?
Dreyer is a canny prop. AB starting scrum nullified. He did same to Moody in Super final. Think there is quite a lot of dark art involved. Once Read had Nige looking at it things settled down. And by the time Crockett on it was game over.
Can't believe how anonymous Bok loosies were. Kolesi was the quietest I can remember.
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Not a fan of Devlin, but this tweet is spot on:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Not a fan of Devlin, but this tweet is spot on:
Two years ago ABs defeated Boks by 2 points in a RWC Semi; same Boks team was beaten by Japan by same point diff in group stage; ABs prob will put 80 on Japan, but, sure, why not? Ya never know. That's why they play the games.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
Nah, if Barrett made the intercept himself try time. If NMS was a bit quicker, then the pass can come later when barrett has more time to catch up / get into position / get clear of other chasers. It was the fact that several chasers were catching NMS that was the issue.
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That wasn't a test match, it was like playing a second tier nation. The Boks just gave away too much possession and missed their one on one tackles. The ABs D was very good and they appeared to have a limited attack.
The ABs were very good as a team and only Hames stood out for me as playing badly by giving away too many penalties and the dropped ball.
Some exceptionally good tries with finishing we were missing vs Lions.
I thought Cane was outstanding tonight, his relentless defence and his turnovers are truly impressive.
A Smith was again very good with his speed and vision. TJ again was good and seems to have reigned in his theatrics?
S Barrett is a very busy player and gave us another quality lineout option. I think he has probably cemented that bench spot. Perhaps Fifita and Barrett offer better bench cover than Savea.
Reiko is a special player who appears to just be a natural at this level. His combination of pace and strength is just incredible.
I also noticed our ruck defence appeared improved, the Boks appeared to try and run through the ruck a few times like Oz did with little success.
And finally I loved the speed and moves off the back of the lineout, that must be a nightmare to defend. Well played ABs.
I noticed one poster said Owens at a shocker? From my biased view I thought it was one of his best games, he was confident, explained every decision well and seemed to know what was going on at scrum time. The officiating at the ruck is always tricky, I can recall plenty of Boks doing their best impression of Superman flying over rucks off their feet.
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Ah, yeah, sorry Jules but you're not getting that 11 jersey back. Rieko is un-fucking-believable.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Ah, yeah, sorry Jules but you're not getting that 11 jersey back. Rieko is un-fucking-believable.
Helps if your opponent is a turnstile
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@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Have we ever down troued the Boks before? Beating them to nil has a nice ring to it.
According to Mr Lassen:
13-0, 1965, Carisbrook, Dunners
28-0, 1999, Carisbrook, Dunners
19-0, 2008, Newlands, Cape TownAaanddd ...
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I remember the bad old days when a line out against the boks, whether our ball or theirs, was a thing to watch with fear and trepidation.
This new shit bok lineout isn't much entertainment anymore.
@dingo said in All Blacks vs Boks:
I remember the bad old days when a line out against the boks, whether our ball or theirs, was a thing to watch with fear and trepidation.
This new shit bok lineout isn't much entertainment anymore.
Really? Quite enjoy it myself. Like a bit of comedy.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Boks:
NMS looked decidedly slow there.
Two parts to that I reckon:
- Coming back adter injury
- Skosan is real quick (he ran down NMS and BB in the one move after that intercept ... BB! Must be quick)
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@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Have we ever down troued the Boks before? Beating them to nil has a nice ring to it.
A quick search reveals that it has happened at least three times before
1921 00 - 00 @ Athletic Park
1965 13 - 00 @ Carisbrook
1999 28 - 00 @ CarisbrookThey have got us back three times as well
1921 00 - 00 in Wellington
1928 00 - 17 in Durban
1960 00 - 13 in JohannesburgWe are still on track to beat the highest winning margin at home of 33 (40 - 07 in Wellington) and the highest winning margin of 42 (57 - 15 last year in Durban)
@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Have we ever down troued the Boks before? Beating them to nil has a nice ring to it.
A quick search reveals that it has happened at least three times before
1921 00 - 00 @ Athletic Park
1965 13 - 00 @ Carisbrook
1999 28 - 00 @ CarisbrookThey have got us back three times as well
1921 00 - 00 in Wellington
1928 00 - 17 in Durban
1960 00 - 13 in JohannesburgWe are still on track to beat the highest winning margin at home of 33 (40 - 07 in Wellington) and the highest winning margin of 42 (57 - 15 last year in Durban)
Aah Higgybaby already onto it.
I filtered by wins so missed the nil all.
Add in Cape Town 19-0 though.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
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@Stargazer I thought he actually played well, especially if you compare him on attack to Barrett - who I thought took some awful options.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Stargazer I thought he actually played well, especially if you compare him on attack to Barrett - who I thought took some awful options.
Bones, you know there are some players you are not allowed to rate ...
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@pukunui BB could have scored it, but I guess he thought NMS coulda got closer to posts than him....IF another wing is playing they don't anticipate the intercept to use thier pace to score.
Yes speed is great but isn't everything.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui BB could have scored it, but I guess he thought NMS coulda got closer to posts than him....IF another wing is playing they don't anticipate the intercept to use thier pace to score.
Yes speed is great but isn't everything.
NMS laboured to the corner when scoring his try though, seems to lack explosive pace
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@Bones I shouldn't be commenting right now.
The interpretation of all the "contact off the ball" calls was comically bad. Obstruction, clearing past the ball, continuing after the whistle and rolling away was in no way rugby.
Offside was not policed.
Inexperience of the springbok team brutally exposed though. A better side would have identified the gap being afforded by the ref, but the Springbok team failed to take advantage of the opportunity to spoil when it was clearly being allowed
@SidBarret said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Bones I shouldn't be commenting right now.
The interpretation of all the "contact off the ball" calls was comically bad. Obstruction, clearing past the ball, continuing after the whistle and rolling away was in no way rugby.
Offside was not policed.
Inexperience of the springbok team brutally exposed though. A better side would have identified the gap being afforded by the ref, but the Springbok team failed to take advantage of the opportunity to spoil when it was clearly being allowed
Yeah. He was soft on the Boks huh?
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@booboo Not one complaint so far, I think?
I think he made a huge error in the Ioane try.
Where Smith took the quick tap from was a joke.
No wonder there was huge space to kick into if the ref allows an illegal quick tap, so quick not not even Nig nor Aaron's brain could successfully compute where the line of the offence was. What chance does the defensive wing/fullback have to mentally compute this and then plug the space.
This could almost be a copy and paste from one of my posts in the 'grind your gears thread'. It really grinds my gears.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@booboo Not one complaint so far, I think?
I think he made a huge error in the Ioane try.
Where Smith took the quick tap from was a joke.
No wonder there was huge space to kick into if the ref allows an illegal quick tap, so quick not not even Nig nor Aaron's brain could successfully compute where the line of the offence was. What chance does the defensive wing/fullback have to mentally compute this and then plug the space.
This could almost be a copy and paste from one of my posts in the 'grind your gears thread'. It really grinds my gears.
