NRL 2017
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How out of his depth is Kidwell?
Foran, Harris - opting to recover from injury
Taumalolo - gonegone to Tonga
Proctor, Bromwich - ruled out by coach, surely if culture was ok, players wouldn't have done what they did...@westcoastie so Proctor and Bromich thought it was OK as KIwis to do this but never for thier NRL teams?
Interview with Tony Kemp, makes some good points.
starts about 9.30
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.10.04-17.00.00-D.mp3
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.10.04-17.15.00-D.mp3 -
What a mess
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@westcoastie so Proctor and Bromich thought it was OK as KIwis to do this but never for thier NRL teams?
Interview with Tony Kemp, makes some good points.
starts about 9.30
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.10.04-17.00.00-D.mp3
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.10.04-17.15.00-D.mp3@taniwharugby Yeh I reckon if the player culture was strong enough to dictate that players don't do stupid things (like dabble with drugs while representing that team) then players would tow the line...
I read this article on Melbourne Storm which was pretty cool around the team putting away mobile devices at certain times (meal times etc)
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@westcoastie so Proctor and Bromich thought it was OK as KIwis to do this but never for thier NRL teams?
Interview with Tony Kemp, makes some good points.
starts about 9.30
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.10.04-17.00.00-D.mp3
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.10.04-17.15.00-D.mp3@taniwharugby
Not starting a scrap, just asking if Tony Kemp is grinding an axe at the same time (while making some good points nonetheless)
Never thought much of Kemp as a coach, or as a high-performance guy either, but one thing is clear - theres some serious shit going on with the NZRL -
Once Doyle left the NZRL it began going back to its old ways. Kemp is right that the organisation is a total shambles at the top and reeks of the Gary Kemble days (irony being that Kidwell was one of the players who led the revolt against Kemble).
Tomorrow's squad announcement is going to be a disaster. The NZRL has done no PR to counter this at all so the media are going to already have their minds made up.
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@taniwharugby Yeh I reckon if the player culture was strong enough to dictate that players don't do stupid things (like dabble with drugs while representing that team) then players would tow the line...
I read this article on Melbourne Storm which was pretty cool around the team putting away mobile devices at certain times (meal times etc)
no iPhones in the Storm@westcoastie kinda my point, these guys a grown men, professional athletes who know what is expected of them...why would they suddenly decide it is ok to throw that all away within the Kiwis?
As for Kemp, yep, he has an axe, but he did make some good points, not least the fact that the NRL clubs dealt with these 2 and got on with it, whereas NZRL are continuing to punish them...
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Dale Budge was going hard on RS this morning - must have caught up with Kemp for breakfast I reckon!!
He had some really good points imo. He saw multiple folks sharing the blame for this situation. An ongoing lack of leadership and nous by NZRL, Kidwell being out of his depth, farcical eligibility rules, and he also fired shots at JT for not being honest about why he's chosen Tonga over NZ.
Budge did say he'd have understood, and probably backed JT, if he was honest about why he's gone with Tonga. But to say at the eleventh hour that you want to 'give back' to a team that you weren't going to be playing for a week ago is pretty smelly.
Looking forward to the press conference today - might be a taaaaad awks I reckon!
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@taniwharugby
Not starting a scrap, just asking if Tony Kemp is grinding an axe at the same time (while making some good points nonetheless)
Never thought much of Kemp as a coach, or as a high-performance guy either, but one thing is clear - theres some serious shit going on with the NZRL@westcoastie - yeah he did go pretty hard aye! Def was on the money about a lot of stuff, but you could clearly tell it was personal as well.
Interesting how you get guys like Kemp who weren't flash coaches or anything, but clearly have a deep understanding of the game and what makes it tick. Then again he wasn't the first coach who couldn't make any decent change with warriors.
oh, one really good point he made was the appointment of Brian Smith, who hasn't coached in how long??
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@westcoastie - yeah he did go pretty hard aye! Def was on the money about a lot of stuff, but you could clearly tell it was personal as well.
Interesting how you get guys like Kemp who weren't flash coaches or anything, but clearly have a deep understanding of the game and what makes it tick. Then again he wasn't the first coach who couldn't make any decent change with warriors.
oh, one really good point he made was the appointment of Brian Smith, who hasn't coached in how long??
@paekakboyz
Good players (even those with great understanding) don't make good coaches - but the problem is that most need to pay their dues and don't, like you don't just become an AB or Warrior overnight, you spend years developing your playing craft therefore coaches should spend years building their craft too. Kidwell, Kemble, Kemp - good players, who spent fuck all time building their coaching craft, egos at play too.
Nonu, clearly a great player who developed amazing understanding of what was required, but doesn't strike me as being a guy whos going to coach. Richie McCaw...on-field coach. Coaching is more than just X & O's on a board nowadays too, I suspect most players just wouldn't have the foggiest clue.
Its interesting in AFL, they're moving miles away from ex-players moving straight into head-coaching roles - they're really looking for coaches who have proven records at lower levels, previous head-coaching experience, and they even have an AFL-specific high level coaching course over two years where the best (like very best) coaches are educating those newbies.Kemp never really struck me as a high-performance guy, but then I don't know what training or knowledge he had acquired outside of the game.
Brian Smith, same as a class player, ie class is permanent, form is temporary. If he was a good coach once, hes a good coach now, but I'd suggest ring-rusty.
So anyways apart from coaching... what the fuck is this team even going to look like, surprised Shaun Johnson hasn't pulled the pin yet too...
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On one hand its getting farcical, on the other, suddenly the RLWC just got interesting... Fifita apparently pulls the pin after getting named in the Aussie team - and is off to Tonga too.
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Andrew Fifita is apparently withdrawing from the Aussies and joining Tonga too.
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@sneakdefreak said in NRL 2017:
Andrew Fifita is apparently withdrawing from the Aussies and joining Tonga too.
Have to ask, are we drawn to play Tonga?
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Samoa, Scotland and Tonga are our pool opponents. This will be tough...
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Hilarious that certain players have decided to make the international game more competitive.
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Hilarious that certain players have decided to make the international game more competitive.
@antipodean said in NRL 2017:
Hilarious that certain players have decided to make the international game more competitive.
I don't think it has made the 'international' game more competitive, just the international game under Australia and England - it's gone from a possible three contenders to two.
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@antipodean said in NRL 2017:
Hilarious that certain players have decided to make the international game more competitive.
I don't think it has made the 'international' game more competitive, just the international game under Australia and England - it's gone from a possible three contenders to two.
@nepia Surely if Australia don't win it would be a massive upset?
