Springboks v All Blacks

cheetahsBO

Set a maximum size of ingoal. End of the day after that you're both playing on the same field.

booboo

@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:

@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:

@rocky-rockbottom said in Springboks v All Blacks:

du Toit huge at 7. Kind of dwarfed Cane.

Given one was playing blindside and the other open it's a tough comparison...

...Saffas play 6 and 7 opposite to normal countries.

Oh crap, of course.

Forwards, they're those big lumpy people that don't give it to the backs right?

There's a reason for that: Grubber kicks

Chester Draws

@cheetahsbo said in Springboks v All Blacks:

@rapido

While I think it's an odd time to start complaining about scoring against the goal posts....l

Have the posts at the dead ball line the way they do with American football.

Too far back for most school grounds is the problem. That would put the posts right on the neighbouring properties, and sometimes roads. And fishing balls out of gullies is no fun either.

NTA

Saw the card. That's a red, without doubt.

Late as fuck, and effectively a forearm to the neck, not a late "high tackle" by any stretch of the imagination. Had two steps to change his line. Could have wrapped his arms. Full visibility of a falling opponent.

No excuses.

Chris B.

On the goalpost pads - I'm surprised coaches aren't specifically targeting scoring against them. Work a few rucks towards them and then it's very hard to defend against from close range.

Billy Tell

I'm thinking Operation RWC 2019 might just see "Project Youth" in the back 3: Ioane, Barrett Jnr, DMac, Havili + old man Smith for a wise head and calmness under pressure.

Should be worried:
*Dagg - cannot match the others for pace
*Sopoaga - it's not hard to see DMac becoming the 10/15 supersub bench option (can't see DMac holding out Smith and Barrett Jnr for the starting FB role for the moment, but we see)

NTA

I don't mind the idea of using an American-style goal set back from the line, but the physics of bringing the crossbar to the tryline are nigh-impossible unless your ingoal is very skinny

Chris B.

@billy-tell On "current form," I think you'd lock Ben Smith and Ioane into the squad.

But if they stick with the same structure as last time, then I think Sopoaga is sitting pretty as the second option at 1st five. DMac (if he can genuinely play first-five) has the possibility to nail the (third) first five utility role that Barrett and Slade filled.

In which case, last time they only took four outside backs - so just two slots to be fought out between Dagg, NMS, Naholo, Jordie, Jules, Havili, Tamanivalu and anyone else I'm overlooking or thinks they're a shot.

There will be some good players today, who are going to miss out.

http://www.allblacks.com/News/27934/all-blacks-squad-for-rwc-2015-announced

Bones

@98blueandgold @Nepia you guys say Dubs turnovers are others fault...I see them as poor options/carries by Dub.

pakman

Few random thoughts: Great test! Wonderful to see Bokke give us heaps! But:

Forwards lacked close in go forward until Ofa and Crockett came one. Hames had a good game, but he and Laulala didn't add any carrying. Coles seems a little of the pace. Perhaps accentuated by last two opponents being Marx and Creevy (both excellent). Think we missed having a power lock. Whitelock not really a TH scrummager. Barrett and him seemed to lose out in loose to De Jaeger and Bruno, who was excellent, almost BBBR-like. Cane not so effective in loose, but he made numerous tackles tidying up in the 10-12 channel after Boks (esp. Serfontein) strolled through. Our midfield again didn't gel. SBW was tidy, but seems to have lost his mojo for the magic which used to be a game-opener. And Crotty also tidy but between them didn't seem to be asking many questions. Our back three (all that played there) excellent. And a word for Lima, who's goalkicking was a key reason we won.

On Bok side, thought their tight five shaded ours other than in scrums, where Dreyer ran into a ref who kept him honest. Kitshoff was immense in tight and loose. Pollard needs to be on the field for longer as his ability in tight spaces is streets ahead of Jantjies. Boks back three very mediocre. Biggest point of difference yesterday.

Strikes me the travel may have knocked the Blacks back a notch or two. Thought the impetus provided by our bench was a big part in getting the job done.

Billy Tell

SBW has been solid at best all season. I wish they would give Laumape another shot, maybe the dead Bledisloe rubber?

TeWaio

@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks v All Blacks:

In spite of the lineout debacle last time, I thought Karl Marx was pretty damn impressive. Showed it tonight. Boks pack in general was very good. Incredible defence and commitment.

He was especially strong down the left wing..

canefan

@tewaio said in Springboks v All Blacks:

@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks v All Blacks:

In spite of the lineout debacle last time, I thought Karl Marx was pretty damn impressive. Showed it tonight. Boks pack in general was very good. Incredible defence and commitment.

He was especially strong down the left wing..

Some would say he defined that position

booboo

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cgrant

The Boks were great yesterday and I was impressed by their big ball carriers : Marx, Kitshoff and Etzebeth. But how many try opportunities did they have apart from the ones they converted ? None actually. The ABs did not have to make try saving tackles. Most of the SA carries were in the middle of the field, very rarely near the ABs try-line.
I also liked their commitment in the rucks. But was it legal ? I tend to thing that with another referee, it could have been a different story.
I think Sam Cane let them get too much momentum by missing a few tackles. He had his worst game in black for a while.
Liam Squire was the only NZ forward to drive efficiently, consistantly winning the collision area. With the type of game the Spingboks play, the ABs should have fielded a Nr.6 on the bench instead of a Nr.7. The play stayed in midfield for most of the game and seldom reached the wings, at least on the Boks side. This may sound weird but this is an option the ABs should look at the next time they play the Boks.

mimic

@bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:

@98blueandgold @Nepia you guys say Dubs turnovers are others fault...I see them as poor options/carries by Dub.

Anyone got the stats on turnovers? From watching it live, it seemed to me that SBW turned the ball over about as much as DMac (who most think had a motm performance).

pakman

@cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks:

But how many try opportunities did they have apart from the ones they converted ? None actually.

I agree completely with the theme, but to be fair DMac's tackle on Cronje towards end of first half was try saving.

Bones

@mimic I guess the flip side to that is DMac had a rather better highlights reel. I only recall one glaring turnover from him.

Stargazer

Warning for Bok centre De Allende

The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee issued a warning to Springbok centre Damian de Allende after he was red carded against New Zealand.

De Allende was issued a red card for a breach of Law10.4(o) "Late charging the kicker" in their Rugby Championship match at Newlands.

However the Foul Play Review Committee found that the offence did not warrant a red card in all the circumstances and has issued a warning.

SANZAAR Judicial Rule 7.4 states:
"The Foul Play Review Committee may issue a Warning to a Player who has been cited or sent off if in the opinion of the Foul Play Review Committee the act of Foul Play came close to but did not warrant the Player receiving a red card in circumstances where the Player did not receive a yellow card for the act of Foul Play during the Match.”

The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee of Nigel Hampton QC (Chairman), Stefan Terblanche and John Langford assessed the case.

In his finding, Foul Play Review Committee Chairman Nigel Hampton QC ruled the following:

"Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles, as well as submissions from his legal representative, Attie Heyns, the Foul Play Review Committee found that, on an objective study, and with more time and video angles than the Referee had available to him, the act of foul play committed only came close to warranting a Red Card, and therefore a Warning (equivalent to a Yellow Card) was issued instead."

"The charge was late and the player had time to pull out before colliding with his opponent. However, the collision was not effected with a great deal of force, with the initial contact being made with the player's forearm on the opponent's chest, from whence the arm rose up to make contact, again not forceful, onto the opponent's neck. The opponent was not injured."

"The player is therefore free to play and will serve no suspension”

All SANZAAR disciplinary matters are in the first instance referred to the Foul Play Review Committee to provide the option of expediting the judicial process.

For a matter to be dispensed with at this hearing, the person appearing must plead guilty and accept the penalty offered by the Foul Play Review Committee.

Billy Tell

There we go. It was worth a YC as most us thought. RC was a bit harsh. Main thing though is it might have cost the Boks the match.

The Silver Fern

Springboks v All Blacks