Roger Tuivasa-Sheck

ACT Crusader

The ABs need RTS just like the Blues needed Benji Marshall....

Nepia

Can’t see him making the switch let alone getting near RWC19.

Why not? Duffie made the switch and became an AB so all bets are off. He'd probably want to try and break his Warriors contract and start next year if he really wanted to make 2019 though.

booboo

Just a bargaining position statement.

I don't watch much league so I can't comment on his potential value. But we've got a good stock of fullbacks at present.

SammyC

@cgrant said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Do the ABs need him for the 2019 RWC ?
For the back three, they have : Ben Smith, Israel Dagg, NMS, Jordie Barrett, DMac, Naholo, Ioane, Savea, Havili, Duffie and Tamanivalu, plus maybe Nanai, Alaimalo, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke if they can step up.

No

MN5

@sammyc said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@cgrant said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Do the ABs need him for the 2019 RWC ?
For the back three, they have : Ben Smith, Israel Dagg, NMS, Jordie Barrett, DMac, Naholo, Ioane, Savea, Havili, Duffie and Tamanivalu, plus maybe Nanai, Alaimalo, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke if they can step up.

No

Bit of a long winded rambling post but you made your point eventually I guess

Chester Draws

@cgrant said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Do the ABs need him for the 2019 RWC ?
For the back three, they have : Ben Smith, Israel Dagg, NMS, Jordie Barrett, DMac, Naholo, Ioane, Savea, Havili, Duffie and Tamanivalu, plus maybe Nanai, Alaimalo, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke if they can step up.

Who says he will play at the back?

We didn't need, as in really need, Brad Thorn either.

Edit: I see him as a five-eighth or centre in union. A place we already have one league convert, not in his league position.

Sapetyvi

Do the AB's need him? No. Do the AB's really need any League converts? Probably no.

Wouls it be nice to see more League stars switch back to real rugby ? Yes.

Gunner

@nepia I just don’t see it happening is all, with all the crazy talent we already have in the outside backs.

Although I would have said the same about Laumape and Duffie 2 years ago.

He needs to switch by Xmas if he’s any chance at all of making it, and that’d be the easy part.

But like I said, won’t happen.

Billy Tell

Definitely need him. Cupboard in NZ outside backs is barer than bare.

kiwiinmelb

@sapetyvi said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Do the AB's need him? No. Do the AB's really need any League converts? Probably no.

Wouls it be nice to see more League stars switch back to real rugby ? Yes.

They may not need him looking at it from here , but things change quickly

if he did switch and was good enough you pick him , if not, you dont , no need to over think it,

I think the transition would not be that complicated for him being an outside back from a rugby background though.

mikedogz

He could switch, fail to make the All Blacks, Get a decent contract overseas and play for Samoa.

taniwharugby

@billy-tell said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Definitely need him. Cupboard in NZ outside backs is barer than bare.

Chicken Little!

We don't 'need' him, be good if he gave it a crack, but he won't.

kiwiinmelb

If he did make the switch , ( which he probably won't , but we don't know what he is thinking )

I would put my money on him to wear the black jersey at some stage at some capacity, but there is a big difference in being a fringe player , in and out , than being a regular selection in the 22 .

Far better league player than laumape and Duffy so it's not a long shot .

Crazy Horse

@kiwiinmelb said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Far better league player than laumape and Duffy so it's not a long shot .

Anyone else starting to wonder why average league players, and in Lousi's case, worse than average, are making a damn good fist of things in Union. An indication of the relative strength of the sports?

KiwiMurph

@crazy-horse said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@kiwiinmelb said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Far better league player than laumape and Duffy so it's not a long shot .

Anyone else starting to wonder why average league players, and in Lousi's case, worse than average, are making a damn good fist of things in Union. An indication of the relative strength of the sports?

It cuts both ways. Will Chambers was a below average rugby player for the Reds who is now a Kangaroo and Queensland Origin rep.

In Lousi's case I think his skillset/bodyshape suits Union more than League (plus you have to factor in the Warriors culture which explains Laumape too) - Benji Marshall would be an example of the opposite.

Crazy Horse

Benji was past his best before date way before he took a shot a rugby and he didn't really give it a decent go. But I get your point. Agree too about body shapes and skill sets - especially when it comes to Louisi and Duffy.

On a side note, I would love to see Asofa Solomona come back to Union. Imagine what he could achieve given Lousi's success.

Chester Draws

@crazy-horse said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@kiwiinmelb said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Far better league player than laumape and Duffy so it's not a long shot .

Anyone else starting to wonder why average league players, and in Lousi's case, worse than average, are making a damn good fist of things in Union. An indication of the relative strength of the sports?

Because we only notice the ones that make it, and soon forget the ones that fade from view?

I suspect it is also that players make the shift if they have some promise of being better in the other code. The Kiwi kids usually played union at school, so will know if it suits their skills and body more.

kiwiinmelb

@kiwimurph said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@crazy-horse said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@kiwiinmelb said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Far better league player than laumape and Duffy so it's not a long shot .

Anyone else starting to wonder why average league players, and in Lousi's case, worse than average, are making a damn good fist of things in Union. An indication of the relative strength of the sports?

It cuts both ways. Will Chambers was a below average rugby player for the Reds who is now a Kangaroo and Queensland Origin rep.

In Lousi's case I think his skillset/bodyshape suits Union more than League (plus you have to factor in the Warriors culture which explains Laumape too) - Benji Marshall would be an example of the opposite.

To be fair , chambers was nothing special at the time in league either , he was nowhere near origin level then ,bit of a skinny kid that lacked confidence

that came later when he beefed up and became a far more physical player like he is now

MN5

@chester-draws said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@crazy-horse said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

@kiwiinmelb said in Roger Tuivasa-Sheck:

Far better league player than laumape and Duffy so it's not a long shot .

Anyone else starting to wonder why average league players, and in Lousi's case, worse than average, are making a damn good fist of things in Union. An indication of the relative strength of the sports?

Because we only notice the ones that make it, and soon forget the ones that fade from view?

I suspect it is also that players make the shift if they have some promise of being better in the other code. The Kiwi kids usually played union at school, so will know if it suits their skills and body more.

There's very little difference ( if any at all ) in body shapes between the codes these days. That explains why Nelson whatshisface that @Canes4life was pumping in between going on about Ardie Saveas incredible height plays league as opposed to union.

Nepia

@crazy-horse I don't think Laumape and Duffie are really average league players. Laumape was class but injured all the time, Duffie held down a spot with the Storm and would have played more matches if not injured at both club and rep level.

I think the key with these recent successful 'switchers' is that they were rugby players first, switched to league and came back.

Did anyone see RTS play rugby back in the day?

The Silver Fern

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck