Revenue Sharing
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On the actual subject of revenue sharing with tier 2 countries.
Samoa average about 2 home games a season, sometimes 1, sometimes 3 to 'earn' ticketing revenue. (And sell TV rights as the host union). These are the June window tests. They're not always playing a home test in that window if it involves home & away Pacific Nations Cup.
As a comparison:
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NZ play 6 home games, plus host a 3rd Bled every second year, plus an out-of-window revenue sharing test about every second year. (NZ play 6 away tests each year, plus 3rd Bled every second year)
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England average 6 home tests, Sometimes including a revenue share every second year, plus the odd BaaBaas. (England -average 6 away tests to reciprocate their home tests)
So the real imbalance between tier 1 and 2, there isn't reciprocation. Let alone getting into the size of respective rugby economies.
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Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
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@rugger-quizzes said in Revenue Sharing:
Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
Which is pretty shameful. In that time NZ have played Samoa in Apia once and other than that, zip. Unless of course you want to count playing Ireland in Chicago as growing the game? Aus have (bizarrely) played away in Spain and that's it. So whilst England's record is pretty damn poor, it's no outlier.
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The Hutt is an absolute Mecca. @Catogrande
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@bones Over here, Mecca is a bingo hall. So that sort of fits with my impression.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@rugger-quizzes said in Revenue Sharing:
Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
Which is pretty shameful. In that time NZ have played Samoa in Apia once and other than that, zip. Unless of course you want to count playing Ireland in Chicago as growing the game? Aus have (bizarrely) played away in Spain and that's it. So whilst England's record is pretty damn poor, it's no outlier.
NZ have also played USA in Chicago & Japan in Tokyo in that time (Aus also played USA in Chicago) in that time. Aus are playing Japan next week. NZ playing Japan next year. All of these though outside IRB windows and for a (revenue sharing) price.
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@catogrande A very, very popular bingo hall.
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@rapido I got the info from Wiki so wouldn't be totally surprised if not accurate. Went back a double checked and see I did miss the Japan game, still couldn't see the US game. Nonetheless, happy to take your word for it. Point still stands though, 3 games in 17 years is not much better than 1 game in 17 years.
Worth noting also that since 2006 the England Saxons have played away in Canada, Russia, USA, Belgium and Portugal.
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The latest IRB schedules (I think it's a 4 year cycle), agreed recently after the global season / revenue sharing stoush.
It sees way more tier 1 v tier 2 games.
I think it is mostly 6N teams that will play those T1 v T2 games. As there are 6 of them and only 4 Sanzar unions. Plus the Lions year.Will be able to crow about 'your' zeal to play in far flung corners of the tier 2 globe.
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@rapido If you listen carefully you can hear my crowing right now. Or maybe not. Have you got a link to that info at all?
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Latest News | World Rugby
The latest World Rugby news, including about the World Rankings, Tournaments, Player Welfare and the Laws of the Game
- 39 per cent increase in tier one v tier two fixtures with emerging nations integrated on merit
- Tier one tours to Pacific Islands, Japan, Canada, USA, Georgia and Romania
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That's why I put the the quotes around 'your'. I agree it's clumsily written.
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@rapido said in Revenue Sharing:
Latest News | World Rugby
The latest World Rugby news, including about the World Rankings, Tournaments, Player Welfare and the Laws of the Game
- 39 per cent increase in tier one v tier two fixtures with emerging nations integrated on merit
- Tier one tours to Pacific Islands, Japan, Canada, USA, Georgia and Romania
Looks like a step in the right direction.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@rugger-quizzes said in Revenue Sharing:
Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
Which is pretty shameful. In that time NZ have played Samoa in Apia once and other than that, zip. Unless of course you want to count playing Ireland in Chicago as growing the game? Aus have (bizarrely) played away in Spain and that's it. So whilst England's record is pretty damn poor, it's no outlier.
2015 Samoa
2014 USA
2013 Japan
2012 Scotland
2011 Fiji (in NZ but from memory Fiji were invited and received a gate share as a pre RWC hitout)Also the NZ v Samoa game this year was wrapped with the moved Tonga v Wales to reduce costs to Tonga and help provide a bigger take for them.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
They're less minnowy than Wales, France and Argentina at the moment
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
Worth noting also that since 2006 the England Saxons have played away in Canada, Russia, USA, Belgium and Portugal.
Not really relevant. Have a look at Maori and NZ A tours. The 'B" teams don't count in this discussion that's just development for all unions involved. How is the revenue shared there? I honestly don't know.
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@snowy said in Revenue Sharing:
@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
Worth noting also that since 2006 the England Saxons have played away in Canada, Russia, USA, Belgium and Portugal.
Not really relevant. Have a look at Maori and NZ A tours. The 'B" teams don't count in this discussion that's just development for all unions involved. How is the revenue shared there? I honestly don't know.
I'm not so sure it's not relevant. For the Tier 2 nations and below it is not just about the money but also about opportunity to play at a higher level, in that the tours of the Saxons, Maori etc are very important. I have no idea about how any revenue is shared or how costs are covered.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
I have no idea about how any revenue is shared or how costs are covered.
Anyone know how that works for Saxons, Maori, NZ A?
As for relevance can we compare an England match v Samoa for example, to a Saxons v Canada for revenue and how it is distributed? I guess that is just scale of funds. I thought the point was that the cash should be shared whomever the host nation is?
