AB Test Team v France.
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doesn't really answer the question.
As for it being accidental and deliberate, plenty of other examples where this is purely on the ref (obviously in this, there was no disputing he did it deliberately)
I mean the only way the Frenchie scores in that game is if SBW isn't there, but he is, he is inches taller than the guy, so SBW was always going to get to the ball, he hasn't impeded the guy, hasn't done anything dangerous, just a mungo moment, making the rule removing him from the equation (which refs don't always apply anyway) just seems daft.
So the way the rule is written, for this instance (yes I know re-writing a rule for this scenario is daft and wont happen) the penalty is pretty extreme and disproportionate.
They were saying on the radio this same thing happened in a NZ v Ireland game when an Irishman batted the ball dead and we got the PT....
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@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
That's not to say I disagree with the deliberate throw or bat out being a penalty.
Perhaps you mean "propel"?
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That English fluffybunny commentator. What a grade A fuckwit! Reminded me of those English "fans" that you got popping up around 2003, probably thinks anyone brown in the ABs is poached. Among other doozeys, a couple of standouts for me:
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Calling for Ofa to be sent off for cleaning out Vaamahina. Ignoring the fact Vaamahina just did the exact same thing.
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Momentarily starting to ponder who had played well for the ABs when MOM was raised, only to immediately state no it has to go to a French player. They just had their score doubled you dickhead.
If we have too many more games with DMac and SBW both starting I'm going to need a new TV.
Todd shits on Savea at the moment.
Thought Taylor was excellent, massive improvement in him this year.
Pretty ghastly reading the amount of whinging about the ref in this thread. Had some not so flash moments but otherwise good. Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
No idea. Will need to call in a foreign irony-assessor consultant. Outside our collective area of expertise.
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@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
No idea. Will need to call in a foreign irony-assessor consultant. Outside our collective area of expertise.
@rapido said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
Funny to read people call SBW dumb for not knowing the rules, then immediately in uproar at a penalty try being awarded...is that irony?
No idea. Will need to call in a foreign irony-assessor consultant. Outside our collective area of expertise.
Yeah. I think that could be irony. It's certainly better than rain on your wedding day or a black fly in your chardonnay.
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@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
That's not to say I disagree with the deliberate throw or bat out being a penalty.
Perhaps you mean "propel"?
@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@booboo said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crucial said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
@taniwharugby same reason you can't throw the ball out deliberately I guess. So no, accidental is not purposely putting the ball out of bounds.
Yep. All comes under the same law. Players cannot deliberately make the ball cross a touchline except by kicking it.
Que?
Running out with it?
That's not to say I disagree with the deliberate throw or bat out being a penalty.
Perhaps you mean "propel"?
Sorry, thought that part was obvious.
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fun 40 minutes. then a rubbish 40 minutes. If the game is too easy at the start, these blokes just clock off, and i can sort of understand that, given we've basically been pissing our way through test rugby for about 8 years. Do they really, deep down, respect anyone now? Probably England (because of the unknown), and maybe Ireland? Otherwise it just looks like we go through the motions for huge portions of games, knowing if we get that 10-15 minute window we'll blow the game out.
My point would be, there are more than a few guys running around at the moment who don't really deserve to have that attitude.
Some of our play is just shambolic at times, and helter skelter at others. Fun to watch when it works, infuriating when it doesn't, which is a lot now.
Our pack is going well considering we are down some top players, and are carrying a couple who just aren't good enough. Coles has been well off when he has played. Fifita is a complete non-entity as a test player. S Barrett isn't good enough either. Why the fuck is Crockett, one of the most experienced players, giving away so many penalties around the ground these days?
In the backs Barrett is playing pretty ordinary, none of our midfielders are exactly screaming "first on the team sheet!" Crotty gets pulled off on here something fierce, but i think he has been just adequate this season. Our wingers are superb, Ioane is just a revelation. Naholo seems to be getting better. The quicker we get rid of DMac the better.
We're hit and miss off the bench.
On the positives, Whitelock was the guy who got shit done when the game turned to custard, his last half hour was enormous. Cane is the physical presence in the loosies, but because we have played ordinary players at 6 all year, is sort of having to ignore being a menace at the breakdown. Smith is running the show well, but falls into that "erratic" shit far too easy. The wingers are fucking great. Todd was streets ahead of anything Savea has put out.
And i want to single our Kane Hames, who seems like a really smart prop. He seems to lose a scrum or two early in the game, works out his opposite number, and then fucks him after that. He really sorted that French scum out yesterday, and i loved him letting his opposite know all about it. Those two props have had huge years, and considering who we have to come back, the depth there is ridiculous.
That French team was a bit shit, so i am not overly stoked with the result. It was just a continuation of a year where we haven't actually played all that great. It's not fun to watch.
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@marty said in AB Test Team v France.:
@crash Thought that defence was actually one of the bright points of the AB performance
They only breached our try line once and a half, the half being the winger who slid into touch. SBW' penalty try doesn't count. Solid D really.
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@taniwharugby said in AB Test Team v France.:
@act-crusader he captained the Baabaa game didn't he? just woulda thought with Whitelock out there, he was a more suitable leader.
They know what Whitelock can do when it comes to leadership. I think it’s more a case of letting other younger guys develop ala Cane at World Cup.
Whitelock will probably hang em up around the same time as Read, so better to have given those chances to others for the future is probable where they see value.
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
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fun 40 minutes. then a rubbish 40 minutes. If the game is too easy at the start, these blokes just clock off, and i can sort of understand that, given we've basically been pissing our way through test rugby for about 8 years. Do they really, deep down, respect anyone now? Probably England (because of the unknown), and maybe Ireland? Otherwise it just looks like we go through the motions for huge portions of games, knowing if we get that 10-15 minute window we'll blow the game out.
My point would be, there are more than a few guys running around at the moment who don't really deserve to have that attitude.
Some of our play is just shambolic at times, and helter skelter at others. Fun to watch when it works, infuriating when it doesn't, which is a lot now.
Our pack is going well considering we are down some top players, and are carrying a couple who just aren't good enough. Coles has been well off when he has played. Fifita is a complete non-entity as a test player. S Barrett isn't good enough either. Why the fuck is Crockett, one of the most experienced players, giving away so many penalties around the ground these days?
In the backs Barrett is playing pretty ordinary, none of our midfielders are exactly screaming "first on the team sheet!" Crotty gets pulled off on here something fierce, but i think he has been just adequate this season. Our wingers are superb, Ioane is just a revelation. Naholo seems to be getting better. The quicker we get rid of DMac the better.
We're hit and miss off the bench.
On the positives, Whitelock was the guy who got shit done when the game turned to custard, his last half hour was enormous. Cane is the physical presence in the loosies, but because we have played ordinary players at 6 all year, is sort of having to ignore being a menace at the breakdown. Smith is running the show well, but falls into that "erratic" shit far too easy. The wingers are fucking great. Todd was streets ahead of anything Savea has put out.
And i want to single our Kane Hames, who seems like a really smart prop. He seems to lose a scrum or two early in the game, works out his opposite number, and then fucks him after that. He really sorted that French scum out yesterday, and i loved him letting his opposite know all about it. Those two props have had huge years, and considering who we have to come back, the depth there is ridiculous.
That French team was a bit shit, so i am not overly stoked with the result. It was just a continuation of a year where we haven't actually played all that great. It's not fun to watch.
@mariner4life Good to see you back buddy.
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Watching a replay now and Gardner is a shit ref.
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fun 40 minutes. then a rubbish 40 minutes. If the game is too easy at the start, these blokes just clock off, and i can sort of understand that, given we've basically been pissing our way through test rugby for about 8 years. Do they really, deep down, respect anyone now? Probably England (because of the unknown), and maybe Ireland? Otherwise it just looks like we go through the motions for huge portions of games, knowing if we get that 10-15 minute window we'll blow the game out.
My point would be, there are more than a few guys running around at the moment who don't really deserve to have that attitude.
Some of our play is just shambolic at times, and helter skelter at others. Fun to watch when it works, infuriating when it doesn't, which is a lot now.
Our pack is going well considering we are down some top players, and are carrying a couple who just aren't good enough. Coles has been well off when he has played. Fifita is a complete non-entity as a test player. S Barrett isn't good enough either. Why the fuck is Crockett, one of the most experienced players, giving away so many penalties around the ground these days?
In the backs Barrett is playing pretty ordinary, none of our midfielders are exactly screaming "first on the team sheet!" Crotty gets pulled off on here something fierce, but i think he has been just adequate this season. Our wingers are superb, Ioane is just a revelation. Naholo seems to be getting better. The quicker we get rid of DMac the better.
We're hit and miss off the bench.
On the positives, Whitelock was the guy who got shit done when the game turned to custard, his last half hour was enormous. Cane is the physical presence in the loosies, but because we have played ordinary players at 6 all year, is sort of having to ignore being a menace at the breakdown. Smith is running the show well, but falls into that "erratic" shit far too easy. The wingers are fucking great. Todd was streets ahead of anything Savea has put out.
And i want to single our Kane Hames, who seems like a really smart prop. He seems to lose a scrum or two early in the game, works out his opposite number, and then fucks him after that. He really sorted that French scum out yesterday, and i loved him letting his opposite know all about it. Those two props have had huge years, and considering who we have to come back, the depth there is ridiculous.
That French team was a bit shit, so i am not overly stoked with the result. It was just a continuation of a year where we haven't actually played all that great. It's not fun to watch.
@mariner4life where you been bro?
Or as Ms.boo jr would say "brah?"
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Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in AB Test Team v France.:
@kruse said in AB Test Team v France.:
@bones said in AB Test Team v France.:
That English fluffybunny commentator.
Adding in some pedantic complaints:my favourite one was "...one for the puritans..."
"Look, I don't know how we got roped into the rugby football thing but let's just get on the fucken boat over there and go and preach to the pricks..."Ah yes - I'd forgotten that one. They really did make Justin Marshall look good in comparison.
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'That one was clearly backwards... Gardner calls for the knock on.'.
Took my mind off the rugby!
BTW excellent first half has to be balanced against French paying us way too much respect.
Once they got physical, and we replaced Read (and Hames) we were outmuscled for the next 15, which really encouraged them.
And their 9 exploited hesitancy around the fringes. Just floor the guy, s'il vous plait!!
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@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
@tewaio said in AB Test Team v France.:
@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
Assuming someone better don’t come along to replace hooper in aus team.
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Watching a replay of the game now - first time I've seen it.
Not sure what all the bitching about the commentators is ... they got the SBW thing wrong which was poor, and they don't sound the most professional (you are knee ....) but they are into it and haven't said too much wrong or full of shit so far ...
Take them anyday over Marshall.
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@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
@tewaio said in AB Test Team v France.:
@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
200 is a massive amount and there aren't significantly more internationals being played. Hooper would still have to play until he's 36/37, not get injured and given his speed is an important part of his game - he could struggle in his 30s.
Whitelock is a long way from 200 as well. 150 is within his sights if he carries on past 2019.
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On paper, that French XV is pretty decent. I was expecting a heap of no-names, but this game will test the ABs 2nd XV, (cliche101) provided France turn up (/cliche101)
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@tewaio said in AB Test Team v France.:
@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
200 is a massive amount and there aren't significantly more internationals being played. Hooper would still have to play until he's 36/37, not get injured and given his speed is an important part of his game - he could struggle in his 30s.
Whitelock is a long way from 200 as well. 150 is within his sights if he carries on past 2019.
@kiwipie said in AB Test Team v France.:
@tewaio said in AB Test Team v France.:
@westcoastie said in AB Test Team v France.:
Sam is 29 (3 years younger than Kieran Read). He could be the first to 200 test caps if he plays as long as Matfield...
Think Hooper will be the first player to 200 comfortably. 76 caps and just turned 26 last month.
Sam Whitelock for us potentially? 93 caps at age 29.
200 is a massive amount and there aren't significantly more internationals being played. Hooper would still have to play until he's 36/37, not get injured and given his speed is an important part of his game - he could struggle in his 30s.
Whitelock is a long way from 200 as well. 150 is within his sights if he carries on past 2019.
I did say if Whitelock played as long as Matfield - 200 is a massive mountain for both to climb...
