Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV
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@mariner4life said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
@nepia said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
TKB is awesome. At the risk of raising Winger and Canes4Life from their slumber, he's been better than TJP for most of the time they've been competing and he's had better performances in black. He's a loss.
absolutely this.
I was thinking more about this after the game. Out of the 3 AB halfbacks TJP is the most athletically gifted but he is also the halfback who has the greatest difference in his performance between the "good" and the "bad". In black, it has been more of the latter. I don't think Smith is at any risk of losing his starting spot but TJP's impact as a closer has been inconsistent.
@bovidae I would go further and say he has cost us at least one test, and gone close at other occassions
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Well that was a weird game to watch. The BeIN commentators kept implying it was a test match until just before half time. Then obviously someone had a word in their ear and they went out of their way to say it was a tour match only.
The commentators kept calling Laumape - Lope. WTF!
The yellow card on Goodhue was idiotic. He fell over. At no point was he trying to wrap his arms around the support player.
Funny also that we always hear that any tackle in the air is a yellow from up that way - except when the French wing who looks like the California dude from Stranger Things 2 does it.
TKB is awesome. At the risk of raising Winger and Canes4Life from their slumber, he's been better than TJP for most of the time they've been competing and he's had better performances in black. He's a loss.
@chimoaus Didn't see anything Cane-like about Whitelock. He just plays a decent solid game that reflects where he stands in the AB rankings. He'll be happy to have more than one AB match under his belt and can be proud of being a captain of the ABs.
A decent win for the dirtrackers.
@nepia said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
@chimoaus Didn't see anything Cane-like about Whitelock. He just plays a decent solid game that reflects where he stands in the AB rankings. He'll be happy to have more than one AB match under his belt and can be proud of being a captain of the ABs.
Perhaps more Rueben Thorne than Sam Cane (and I mean that as a compliment)
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some fella on Stuffs player ratings:
David Havili 7: Not many attacking chances. Some confident high-ball takes, a well-read 22 catch and nice banana clearance, good floating ball for Duffie try. Caught in no-man's land in being unable to stop first French try.
Matt Duffie 6: Palmed off big-time by Camille Chat, in memories of the Nadolo bump-off. Lean frame was hit backwards a few more times with ball in hand, but found a bit more space later, and had a good simple finish for 24th min try.
Jack Goodhue 6: Sole new starting All Black had some good stuff undone by unfortunate 67th min yellow card, when stumbling into an early tackle on Henry Chavancy. Prior to that showed lovely vision and distribution, including nice floating ball for Squire to score. Good defensive reads too.
Ngani Laumape 8: Strong carries as usual - no better than 56th min try where he ran over Vincent Rattezand close to line. Distribution a mix of lovely and awful - such as super quick-hands turning average Sopoaga pass into a Duffie try, then soon after throwing intercept-try pass which was forward anyway. Won a brilliant turnover steal penalty too.
Seta Tamanivalu 7: Used plenty in midfield as a dangerous roamer, always strong. Some good runs down left flank, though couldn't finish great opportunity when mowed down in corner. Sucked in on defence to concede ABs' first try.
Lima Sopoaga 6: Just a distributor, really. One early aimless kick, forward pass scuppered attacking chance on halftime. Solid front-on defence, kicked a lovely conversion from each sideline, subbed after 53min.
Tawera Kerr-Barlow 6: Most likely his last match in ABs jersey before heading to La Rochelle. Decent defensive work, the odd good scamper, awful grubber into French legs, not the crispest night of distribution, with particularly awful pass off attacking scrum on halftime.
Luke Whitelock 7: As renowned, nothing flashy from first-time ABs skipper, always on hand for a strong carry, and solid tackling. Lost ball in tackle close to line but a penalty saved blushes.
Ardie Savea 6: Fine early turnover win which turned momentum and led to opening try, mostly well-contained and couldn't find much space to show the x-factor.
Liam Squire 9: Back from sick bed in an absolute storming way. Best on the paddock, with great roaming runs and support play - rewarded with opening try of the game in left corner - mixed with a tonne of solid hits and abrasiveness round fringes. Taken off in 53rd minute, as surely Scotland test awaits him?
Dominic Bird 6: The big lineout target, though not too much else. Did very well to lock up French maul and win turnover.
Patrick Tuipulotu 8: Spilled opening kickoff, but improved plenty from there. Great early charge, decent link work and runs in middle. Had ball ripped when tryline beckoned, but made amends with 52nd minute score with strong carry.
Jeffrey Toomaga-Allen 6: One penalty for collapsed scrum, but otherwise solid at the set-piece.
Nathan Harris 6: Earned tighthead win on first scrum, but couple of average lineout throws - including one close to French line on halftime which was short of Whitelock and stolen by Sekou Macalou.
Tim Perry 6: Solid scrummaging, but opposite Malik Hamadache charged out of his grasp in open play, and he had a pass intercepted off an unintended lineout win. Subbed in 57th min.
RESERVES:
Asafo Aumua 6: (66th min for Harris) Won crucial turnover in tandem with Hunt with three minutes to play, but bad lineout throw after. Part of huge last scrum which won against feed.
Atu Moli 6: (57th min for Perry) First taste of the All Blacks, and on unfamiliar loosehead side, which ABs are keen on shifting him to. Shunted back in first scrum, but got better, including huge final push.
Ofa Tu'ungafasi 5: (66th min for Toomaga-Allen) Hiding to nothing in getting run around by Macalou leading to late French try. Huge last scrum left him able to smile.
Scott Barrett 6: (66th min for Tuipulotu) Showed keenness and awareness by diving on loose ruck ball a couple of times.
Akira Ioane 8: (53rd min for Squire) First wearing of ABs jersey injected immediate desire within. Took ball immediately on entrance, then went on a brilliant run upfield but just couldn't link up. Some good flying defence too.
Dillon Hunt N/R (70th min for Savea)
Mitch Drummond N/R (70th min for Kerr-Barlow)
Richie Mo'unga 7: (53rd min for Sopoaga) First ABs experience and quickly involved in try with a simple pass for Laumape. Fumbled a low ball but advantage was played anyway, then scrambled well a couple of times, including on rampaging Macalou.
@taniwharugby said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
some fella on Stuffs player ratings:
Jack Goodhue 6: Sole new starting All Black had some good stuff undone by unfortunate 67th min yellow card, when stumbling into an early tackle on Henry Chavancy. Prior to that showed lovely vision and distribution, including nice floating ball for Squire to score. Good defensive reads too.
Looked forward to me, but not out of the ordinary for tries I see getting awarded all the time nowadays. But anyway...
Liam Squire 9: Back from sick bed in an absolute storming way. Best on the paddock, with great roaming runs and support play - rewarded with opening try of the game in left corner - mixed with a tonne of solid hits and abrasiveness round fringes. Taken off in 53rd minute, as surely Scotland test awaits him?
Is it just me or does Squire look smaller without his mullet?
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@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
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I like how TKB can go long periods of time in the Dirty Dirties and still come on and play at a certain level. That's a big loss. Unfortunately we'll never know how he would have developed with consistent game-time at International level. Seems to be a good team man based on not dropping his lip being the third wheel for so long. Apparently after tearing his ACL and MCL in his knee against the Boks in 2014, he tried to play on for about 5 minutes.
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Sopoaga tracking backwards for me. The skills are mostly OK, but you get little sense he is able to steer a game. If our A plan is struggling he is unlikely to be able to change the point of attack or give the opposition a different look.
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Whitelock was very solid, reminds me of Cane. Do we need two solid flankers that work hard or should the 6 be the flashy hanging out on the wing type? In saying that Squire made some dominant tackles and good runs down that channel.
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Sopoaga tracking backwards for me. The skills are mostly OK, but you get little sense he is able to steer a game. If our A plan is struggling he is unlikely to be able to change the point of attack or give the opposition a different look.
@chester-draws thing is, alot of our game has regressed this year, so a bit hard to judge 1 player accurately i think.
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@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
@taniwharugby said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
If Hansen really wants to hammer his point home, he should get the NZ producers to use it to the extreme to force world rugbys hand..
Some accountability needs to be taken by the players with ball in hand.. if you run head first (which is a rugby thing, league runners lead with the shoulder), then expect to get head knocks.. PTs hit was an example, and I'm glad he didn't get yellowed.
Also, a bugbear of mine was the penalty for obstruction. I can't remember what the exact penalty against the French was, but I think it was for a high tackle? How does obstruction overrule a high tackle? Shouldn't the penalty against the French stand, because a high tackle would've reversed the penalty for obstruction?
In the test against the French, we had a penalty reversed cos of a player doing the same thing that the French did to us.
When are the conditions for reversing penalties?
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
This is where I'm confused.
On the weekend, I heard the ref reverse a penalty cos a NZ player came in and did the same exact thing that the French got penalised for. So how does that work? They were both foul plays so the 2nd foul play over-rides the first?Also, the obstruction came before the high tackle (at least I think it was, if I'm mistaken then I apologise), so wouldn't the high tackle over-ride the obstruction?
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@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
This is where I'm confused.
On the weekend, I heard the ref reverse a penalty cos a NZ player came in and did the same exact thing that the French got penalised for. So how does that work? They were both foul plays so the 2nd foul play over-rides the first?Also, the obstruction came before the high tackle (at least I think it was, if I'm mistaken then I apologise), so wouldn't the high tackle over-ride the obstruction?
The high tackle should over-ride obstruction. Dangerous play is worse than cheating. Refs tend to forget high tackles are foul play not simple errors.
The second foul play in response to initial foul play is penalised to stop "free" retaliation. It just has to be that way.
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
Again I think I suggested the referee may have not been up to it ...
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The high shot on Goodhue came first; then the so-called obstruction by Moli. Penalty should never have been reversed.
@stargazer said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
The high shot on Goodhue came first; then the so-called obstruction by Moli. Penalty should never have been reversed.
Huh? Was the penalised high tackle from an earlier play? The replay I am watching now shows Laumape passing the ball to Goodhue and in front of Laumape is Moli obstructing. Goodhue then goes into contact and gets hit high.
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Laumape really is a midget. He’s surely no taller than Aaron Smith.
