AB's v Wales
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@antipodean said in AB's v Wales:
Wayne Barnes has absolutely no idea what's going on at rucks. I don't know why I'm being specific. He's a dreadful referee.
Also; how is Ofa an All Black? Seriously.
Because we have really weak depth in certain positions, tighthead being one of them. Loosehead is even worse.
@akan004 said in AB's v Wales:
Because we have really weak depth in certain positions, tighthead being one of them. Loosehead is even worse.
Ofa is currently no. 3 in the starting TH rankings, which doesn't seem to me like a lack of depth! Seems to have been less effective in loose off bench in recent games. That applies to AB bench in general, though.
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There are still some question marks over Tuipulotu's scrummaging as well. He's easily the worst of the 5 locks despite his bulk.
@bovidae said in AB's v Wales:
There are still some question marks over Tuipulotu's scrummaging as well. He's easily the worst of the 5 locks despite his bulk.
It's interesting to look at which locks pack on tighthead side. The pecking order is Romero/BBBR/Whitelock/Barrett/Pat T. Sam is superb at LH lock, but fairly average at TH. Pat T is a power unit and ought to be at least third in the scrummaging pecking order, so expected to pack at TH yesterday. he was good there for NZ XV. Maybe being at Blues is part of problem. It has to be said that Saders and Chiefs have a near monopoly on NZ's best scrummaging tighties.
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@bovidae said in AB's v Wales:
There are still some question marks over Tuipulotu's scrummaging as well. He's easily the worst of the 5 locks despite his bulk.
It's interesting to look at which locks pack on tighthead side. The pecking order is Romero/BBBR/Whitelock/Barrett/Pat T. Sam is superb at LH lock, but fairly average at TH. Pat T is a power unit and ought to be at least third in the scrummaging pecking order, so expected to pack at TH yesterday. he was good there for NZ XV. Maybe being at Blues is part of problem. It has to be said that Saders and Chiefs have a near monopoly on NZ's best scrummaging tighties.
I was going to expand on my post about that. BBBR packs on the TH side when he and Whitelock play together but Whitelock moves to the TH side when playing with Barrett, and did with Tuipulotu. I'm not too sure how many times BBBR and Romano have played together but Retallick can switch between either with ease.
Tuipulotu should be similar to Royce Willis who was renowned for his scrummaging, so much so that Dowd wanted him packing behind him for the ABs when he was with the Blues.
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@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
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@akan004 said in AB's v Wales:
Because we have really weak depth in certain positions, tighthead being one of them. Loosehead is even worse.
Ofa is currently no. 3 in the starting TH rankings, which doesn't seem to me like a lack of depth! Seems to have been less effective in loose off bench in recent games. That applies to AB bench in general, though.
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Bloody happy with our front row depth at the moment. For next year we will have two strong test quality front rows, plus Ofa , Moli and Aumua. Ofa definitely providing impact in the scrums but a little sloppy in the loose but that is usually a strong area of his game. Way more worried about the locks where it is Whitelock and Rettallick then daylight.
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Bloody happy with our front row depth at the moment. For next year we will have two strong test quality front rows, plus Ofa , Moli and Aumua. Ofa definitely providing impact in the scrums but a little sloppy in the loose but that is usually a strong area of his game. Way more worried about the locks where it is Whitelock and Rettallick then daylight.
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@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
@booboo said in AB's v Wales:
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
You and Olo Brown!
I had a bit nine years ago. L5S1 area. Never scanned. Flying long haul almost killed me. Lots of physio, but it only came right after I tore my hamstring (grade 2) on the last waterskiing run of the hols. Seemed the immobility helped things stabilise. Not recommending the cure, though! Occasional tweaks now but can sort with the hip flexor stretches I've got. Better to stretch regularly to prevent.
Very ifffy things, but if you're lucky surgery can be avoided.
Def. no deadlifts for Read over the Summer!!
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@booboo said in AB's v Wales:
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
You and Olo Brown!
I had a bit nine years ago. L5S1 area. Never scanned. Flying long haul almost killed me. Lots of physio, but it only came right after I tore my hamstring (grade 2) on the last waterskiing run of the hols. Seemed the immobility helped things stabilise. Not recommending the cure, though! Occasional tweaks now but can sort with the hip flexor stretches I've got. Better to stretch regularly to prevent.
Very ifffy things, but if you're lucky surgery can be avoided.
Def. no deadlifts for Read over the Summer!!
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@booboo said in AB's v Wales:
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
You and Olo Brown!
I had a bit nine years ago. L5S1 area. Never scanned. Flying long haul almost killed me. Lots of physio, but it only came right after I tore my hamstring (grade 2) on the last waterskiing run of the hols. Seemed the immobility helped things stabilise. Not recommending the cure, though! Occasional tweaks now but can sort with the hip flexor stretches I've got. Better to stretch regularly to prevent.
Very ifffy things, but if you're lucky surgery can be avoided.
Def. no deadlifts for Read over the Summer!!
I had a microdiscectomy on the L5/S1 in 2008 (when I was 28). I was in searing sciatic pain prior but - aside from the very occasional twinge - the operation was a roaring success.
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@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@booboo said in AB's v Wales:
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
You and Olo Brown!
I had a bit nine years ago. L5S1 area. Never scanned. Flying long haul almost killed me. Lots of physio, but it only came right after I tore my hamstring (grade 2) on the last waterskiing run of the hols. Seemed the immobility helped things stabilise. Not recommending the cure, though! Occasional tweaks now but can sort with the hip flexor stretches I've got. Better to stretch regularly to prevent.
Very ifffy things, but if you're lucky surgery can be avoided.
Def. no deadlifts for Read over the Summer!!
I had a microdiscectomy on the L5/S1 in 2008 (when I was 28). I was in searing sciatic pain prior but - aside from the very occasional twinge - the operation was a roaring success.
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@dmx yeah you've gotta be bloody happy with the front row stocks. Interesting that Aumua saw sfa time but you've got to think they're setting him up to replace Harris next year. Be interesting to see what happens with Crockett.
@bones said in AB's v Wales:
@dmx yeah you've gotta be bloody happy with the front row stocks. Interesting that Aumua saw sfa time but you've got to think they're setting him up to replace Harris next year. Be interesting to see what happens with Crockett.
I'd love to see the back of Crockett, and Aumua being introduced slowly is probably a good thing, thats a while for any tight 5 to really reach their peak, but I'd still prefer to see him as the sub over Harris.
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@booboo said in AB's v Wales:
@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
@stargazer It seems Read is suffering from sciatica. With luck, rest and right exercises will ease disc back into place: fingers crossed!
Sciatica killed my "career". Took 18 months 2 steroid injections and lots of physio to get right.
Prolapsed disc L5S1. Caused by dopey fucking prop who wouldn't bend down properly, exacerbated by trying to deadlift too much.
No doubt knowledge and treatment has improved in 20 years. But it wasn't straightforward.
You and Olo Brown!
I had a bit nine years ago. L5S1 area. Never scanned. Flying long haul almost killed me. Lots of physio, but it only came right after I tore my hamstring (grade 2) on the last waterskiing run of the hols. Seemed the immobility helped things stabilise. Not recommending the cure, though! Occasional tweaks now but can sort with the hip flexor stretches I've got. Better to stretch regularly to prevent.
Very ifffy things, but if you're lucky surgery can be avoided.
Def. no deadlifts for Read over the Summer!!
@pakman I can empathise. Most intense pain I've ever experienced (apart from 6 October 2007 in Cardiff) was a trapped nerve in my neck. Physio recommenced McKenzie exercises which got the pain down from 11 to 4 in a week or so.
Still took a good 6-9 months before I was back to reasonably normal though,
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@antipodean said in AB's v Wales:
@family-man said in AB's v Wales:
@antipodean ofa has done a great job this year and deserves his place
At what? His defence? Carrying? Scrummaging?
He gets no credit for the seven man scrums that held on attack and defence against Wales? They also got a penalty out of one of them.
He defence has been good, today he had a bit of the droppsies, but his core role was very good.
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@kirwan Exactly. He's no Charlie in terms of ball carrying but Ofa's had a pretty decent season in black and his scrummaging continues to improve. Suprised people keep bringing up the subject as to why he keeps getting picked.
@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
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@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
@taniwharugby said in AB's v Wales:
@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
In exactly 191 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 00 seconds from the moment I posted this! (That's Thursday, 7 June 2018 at 5.00am).
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@taniwharugby said in AB's v Wales:
@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
In exactly 191 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 00 seconds from the moment I posted this! (That's Thursday, 7 June 2018 at 5.00am).
@stargazer I'm not convinced...
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@taniwharugby said in AB's v Wales:
@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
In exactly 191 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 00 seconds from the moment I posted this! (That's Thursday, 7 June 2018 at 5.00am).
@stargazer said in AB's v Wales:
@taniwharugby said in AB's v Wales:
@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
In exactly 191 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 00 seconds from the moment I posted this! (That's Thursday, 7 June 2018 at 5.00am).
What time zone?
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@stargazer said in AB's v Wales:
@taniwharugby said in AB's v Wales:
@african-monkey this is TSF, nothing should surprise you!
Whens the team named?
In exactly 191 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 00 seconds from the moment I posted this! (That's Thursday, 7 June 2018 at 5.00am).
What time zone?
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@pakman said in AB's v Wales:
I'd say Crotty at 13 is excellent defensively and he keeps backline in shape. Offensively things were better with ALB.
Maybe that’s because while Crotty was still there we didn’t have any possession to be offensive with.
SBW seemed to play a better game with ALB there though. Much more direct, and in fact once he got over his early yips I thought he was v good today. He really put his body on the line a couple of times including one dive on a bobbling ball that was incredibly ballsy.
I like the back row combo of Cane-Todd-Squire. All three out in some punishing work on defence in the second half and as a unit they seemed very quick to ball carrier and breakdown. We need to find ways to have Cane and Todd on the field together. I’m amazed at how hard Cane was going at the end considering what he’d done in the previous 80mins.
The highlight for me was calling for another scrum when our senior lock was off the field and we’d just won a penalty from the previous 7 v 8 scrum, and scoring off it. That’s got to mess with the opposition’s heads. Old Aura must be on 250+ caps by now.
@jc said in AB's v Wales:
The highlight for me was calling for another scrum when our senior lock was off the field and we’d just won a penalty from the previous 7 v 8 scrum, and scoring off it. That’s got to mess with the opposition’s heads. Old Aura must be on 250+ caps by now.
Was that the bit where the camera cut to Hansen and he was just shaking his head and looking down?
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@jc said in AB's v Wales:
The highlight for me was calling for another scrum when our senior lock was off the field and we’d just won a penalty from the previous 7 v 8 scrum, and scoring off it. That’s got to mess with the opposition’s heads. Old Aura must be on 250+ caps by now.
Was that the bit where the camera cut to Hansen and he was just shaking his head and looking down?
@milk I think it was
