Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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Funny how all the critique and analysis done on these movies would decimate the orginal SW when it came out.
'I'm pissed off that they never explained why that Vader guy was bad'
'That whole trash compactor scene was a waste of time and achieved nothing'
'Stupid how the old bloke who was meant to be 'their only hope' did stuff all'
'What was the point of Han Solo's hairy sidekick? Was he just there for the laughs?'Actually there were reviews like this at the time and they were roundly kicked into touch by people just enjoying the show for what it was and making it one of the most popular movies of all time.
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Warning: don't ask too loudly for Snoke's backstory. Remember what happened when we got Vader's one.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Funny how all the critique and analysis done on these movies would decimate the orginal SW when it came out.
'I'm pissed off that they never explained why that Vader guy was bad'
'That whole trash compactor scene was a waste of time and achieved nothing'
'Stupid how the old bloke who was meant to be 'their only hope' did stuff all'
'What was the point of Han Solo's hairy sidekick? Was he just there for the laughs?'Actually there were reviews like this at the time and they were roundly kicked into touch by people just enjoying the show for what it was and making it one of the most popular movies of all time.
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Warning: don't ask too loudly for Snoke's backstory. Remember what happened when we got Vader's one.
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That's why I can't stand people who critique the prequels and hail the originals as flawless masterpieces. Some of the dialogue is hammy as fuck particularly from L Skywalker.
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Ive not seen anyone say they are flawless, and Luke’s dialogue is often mocked by all Star Wars fans. I think you guys are straw manning a bit here.
They are just the best Star Wars movies.
What the original movies got right, that all the subsequent movies have not is clear lines between good and evil, not over explaining everything, and a clear narrative.
It makes you accept the flaws as you were on a fun ride.
With the prequels you got poorly defined characters, exposition heavy movies where they explained everything right down to how the force worked. And they were basically about politics instead of rescuing princesses and blowing up super weapons.
Personally, I think they should have made one prequel movie about the fall of Anakin Skywalker. Obsessions about trilogies just leaves you with padded movies trying to stretch out a story, like the recent Hobbit movies.
Rogue One showed what you could do with a stand-alone movie. Going forward, I’m wondering if the Star Wars Stories will end up being the better films.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
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Saw it, loved it
Gonna see it again.Ideally without the half a dozen kids sitting behind me talking, laughing and kicking my seat most of the way through.. I till I had enough and spun around and yelled ‘stop kicking my fucking chair’
Probably a bit over the top, don’t normally swear at 8 year olds:::
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@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Saw it, loved it
Gonna see it again.Ideally without the half a dozen kids sitting behind me talking, laughing and kicking my seat most of the way through.. I till I had enough and spun around and yelled ‘stop kicking my fucking chair’
Probably a bit over the top, don’t normally swear at 8 year olds:::
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I'd backhand any fluffybunny who talks during Star Wars. Don't feel the least bit bad.
Retrospect has made me enjoy it more, I still don't like Finn, Poe isn't a great deal better. Han and Lando they are not. I do like Rey and Ren though thank goodness.
The latter improved hugely in my opinion.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
I see you point, so will ask you this: what do you think of Captain Phasma?
The most prequel-ish character. Looks cool, you want to see more of her, and she’s only there to be bitch slapped by the good guys.
Lost opportunity for an iconic character IMO.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
I see you point, so will ask you this: what do you think of Captain Phasma?
The most prequel-ish character. Looks cool, you want to see more of her, and she’s only there to be bitch slapped by the good guys.
Lost opportunity for an iconic character IMO.
She's not bad but loses a few points for being chucked in a garbage shoot in episode 7.
If she's clearly bulletproof why did she not put up a fight when Han and co ambushed her?
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
The prequels introduced some awesome new characters on both sides which none of the subsequent movies have matched.
Like who? Death Maul looks great but was invented purely for a lightsaber fight and has as much backstory as Snoke. Hard to call him a character, more like a moving toy.
Aside from him there was Qui Gonn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grievous and Count Dooku. All awesome characters.
They were fine, but weren’t used well and wasted some very good actors.
Grievous sticks out in that list, looked and sounded stupid. Great opportunity for a half alien half droid Vaderesque precursor. Instead we get another toy that looked stupid.
Could have been merged with Count Dooku and the story loses nothing. Why did the big bad need two henchmen both in charge?
Lee was awesome as Dooku ( especially wasting two Jedi at once) but I struggle to buy a character that smart being that dumb ( he woulda known Palpatines plan to convert Annekin at his expense ). Jango and Maul were just old school tough guys but both had some seriously memorable fights. I suppose Grievous was a bit expendable now I think about it but look at their aura and coolness with the new trilogys bad guys, thank fuck Ren became cooler in the latest one is all I can say cos aside from that there's absolutely no comparison. Hux's most accurate contemporary is obviously Tarkin but again, both humans with no apparent powers, who was the more memorable effective character?
I see you point, so will ask you this: what do you think of Captain Phasma?
The most prequel-ish character. Looks cool, you want to see more of her, and she’s only there to be bitch slapped by the good guys.
Lost opportunity for an iconic character IMO.
She's not bad but loses a few points for being chucked in a garbage shoot in episode 7.
If she's clearly bulletproof why did she not put up a fight when Han and co ambushed her?
Didn't she have a new suit this time round? The last one might not have been laser proof.
Oh, one other thing I forgot, I'd rather they have kept the hot sister around ....
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Saw it today. Jury's still out for me. Tthe opening scene is one of the stupidest in all 8 movies. Hux is a shit shit villain.
But i absolutely loved the rey/ren stuff, that was really good and really well done. Broken luke was good too.
The rest was meh for me.
But I'll view again to form a better judgement
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Nepia Taika should do the Boba Fett movie. Some choice lines for cuzzy Tem would be a laugh.
It needs a scene where cuzzie Fett asked for credits for the spacey machine
Or where someone else say 'you're not on Tatooine now Boba Fett'
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Seen it twice now and still thought it was good....
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Saw it. Mostly enjoyed it. But I read an article this evening that I find myself nodding along with.
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@nta said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Saw it. Mostly enjoyed it. But I read an article this evening that I find myself nodding along with.
I thought that article was full of shit (aside from the comment about the casino) - and the video about anti Star Wars people on the same page was comic gold, A guy who made a Facebook page called I hate Star Wars tells people that there's a time to grow up.
