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No Quarter

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

Smith is an absolute freak. Right now he's seperated himself from the "chosen 4". Root, Kane and Kohli have some work to do to try & match his exploits.

Well, Root and Kohli do. Kane can't as we have no fucking tests scheduled.

What are you on about?
Kohli's has 6 double tons.. (3 of them in 2017)

His last 4 innings reads 104*, 213, 243, 50..

.... against Sri Lanka at home... who haven't exactly set the world on fire recently...

Don't get me wrong, Kohli is some player, but Smith is in a league of his own at the moment.

One can always find excuses.. Smith is batting on a road..
Heck, M. Marsh is on 181*, goes to show how shit England are..

Kohli has 6 test tons against Australia atm, with 5 of them in Australia.. I thought that was quite impressive..

Haha, OK, let's simplify things. Who has the better record overall?

KiwiMurph

@no-quarter Steve Smith has the better test record. Kohli has the better ODI record.

No Quarter

@KiwiMurph yup, I'd have Kohli as the best ODI player. But was talking about tests, hence my comment about Kane.

mimic

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

Smith is an absolute freak. Right now he's seperated himself from the "chosen 4". Root, Kane and Kohli have some work to do to try & match his exploits.

Well, Root and Kohli do. Kane can't as we have no fucking tests scheduled.

What are you on about?
Kohli's has 6 double tons.. (3 of them in 2017)

His last 4 innings reads 104*, 213, 243, 50..

.... against Sri Lanka at home... who haven't exactly set the world on fire recently...

Don't get me wrong, Kohli is some player, but Smith is in a league of his own at the moment.

One can always find excuses.. Smith is batting on a road..
Heck, M. Marsh is on 181*, goes to show how shit England are..

Kohli has 6 test tons against Australia atm, with 5 of them in Australia.. I thought that was quite impressive..

Haha, OK, let's simplify things. Who has the better record overall?

Best overall record is a bit different to "separating himself from the chosen 4"
Smith has 22 tons, Kohli has 20. Still close. Kohli has more double tons.
In terms of runs, Root is close to Smith.
Smith's average is out there though, but it is inflated by his not outs.

If anyone is a freak, it's Kohli.

Batting Rankings..
Kohli #2 tests, #1 ODIs, #1 T20
Root #3 test, #6 ODIs, #7 T20
Kane #5 tests, #10 ODIs, #4 T20
Smith is #1 in tests, not in top 10 for ODIs or T20.

If you wanna see separation, just compare their ODI stats.

If you could only choose one of the chosen 4, I know who I'd choose. He ain't lesbian.

barbarian

Smith v Kohli is pretty fluid and changes each test, really.

The reason I think Smith is ahead right now is when the two teams played, he was by far the better batsman. Kohli had a shocker, and for that reason (and blind patriotism) I have Smith #1.

No Quarter

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

Smith is an absolute freak. Right now he's seperated himself from the "chosen 4". Root, Kane and Kohli have some work to do to try & match his exploits.

Well, Root and Kohli do. Kane can't as we have no fucking tests scheduled.

What are you on about?
Kohli's has 6 double tons.. (3 of them in 2017)

His last 4 innings reads 104*, 213, 243, 50..

.... against Sri Lanka at home... who haven't exactly set the world on fire recently...

Don't get me wrong, Kohli is some player, but Smith is in a league of his own at the moment.

One can always find excuses.. Smith is batting on a road..
Heck, M. Marsh is on 181*, goes to show how shit England are..

Kohli has 6 test tons against Australia atm, with 5 of them in Australia.. I thought that was quite impressive..

Haha, OK, let's simplify things. Who has the better record overall?

Best overall record is a bit different to "separating himself from the chosen 4"
Smith has 22 tons, Kohli has 20. Still close. Kohli has more double tons.
In terms of runs, Root is close to Smith.
Smith's average is out there though, but it is inflated by his not outs.

If anyone is a freak, it's Kohli.

Batting Rankings..
Kohli #2 tests, #1 ODIs, #1 T20
Root #3 test, #6 ODIs, #7 T20
Kane #5 tests, #10 ODIs, #4 T20
Smith is #1 in tests, not in top 10 for ODIs or T20.

If you wanna see separation, just compare their ODI stats.

If you could only choose one of the chosen 4, I know who I'd choose. He ain't lesbian.

You're talking about best over all formats. Again, I'm talking tests where Smith is ahead of the pack. I would never claim Smith is better in ODIs or T20s - different ball game altogether. Some of the best ever test players never dominated the short forms like say Bevan and vice versa.

Personally I'm not really interested in trying to rank "best over all formats". You can end up excluding the best players in each.

Catogrande

There were quite a few pundits in the UK suggesting that the England attack was too "samey" and that a punt on an out and out quick would be worth taking.

Roost.
Chickens.
Home to.

booboo

I quite dislike the angry lesbian.

I hate on Marshall Mich after his fuckwittery after being given out for being out against NZ in the Hamlington ODI a couple of years ago.

I generally dispise Straya and want them to lose.

But hell this is entertaining. Go Straya! 2 hundy for Marsh and 3 hundy fir the Dyke!!

NTA

@booboo said in The Ashes:

I generally dispise Straya and want them to lose.

You're also pissed off your boy Khawaja missed out.

Rapido

@siam said in The Ashes:

@nta Nah that's not the point I was thinking of.

But I understand how it could be construed as such

As I said, I understand short bowling, I still play and face it and recommend it. My national team has been doing it for a while now

More the hullabaloo at the time and the sentiments and hand wringing from the cricket world - led by Australians I'll add, that we can't let that happen and the tragedy.

2-3 seasons later and a different perspective (often from the same people) dims the emotions and sensibilities.

The game is set up to encourage short bowling to tail enders when the pitches are so laterally dire and it won't change - a bit like 5m lineout drives as a tactic to win.

They're both inherently ugly, yet totally plausible

However I do think with a new generation of players who have never batted without a helmet might negate the effectiveness of the ~~lineout maul~~ bouncers to shit batsmen. I expect all cricketers from the compulsory helmet generation to play short stuff better

When Phil Hughes died, NZ were in the middle of a test in the UAE, they refused to play for a day, then on the next day refused to bowl bouncers, by the day 3 they were back to bowling bouncers.

This was all independent of any 'Australian led hullabaloo'.

A guy died, this was new territory, these guys are human and there's no fucking textbook on the correct way to react or when to stop reacting.

Cut them some fucking slack.

Siam

@rapido

NZ didn't bowl bouncers on day 3. They didn't bowl any.

I never criticised the players. I said I fully understand the use of short bowling. I've played and coached the game as a job in the past

I find it odd that the commentators and match participants are all gung ho for short bowling up until someone gets hit then it's all "I hope he's alright. We don't like to see anyone hurt bla bla bla" then it's "right well we all know where this next one will be short again"

It's a strange situation.

Particularly when bowling short to tailenders

It's a highlighting of how quickly emotions and compassion dulls over time. Until the next injury.

Solution: let the grass grow for tests and go around bunnies not through them. Give the bowlers some conditions to work in

Stop fishing for outrage just because you can't grasp context. And stop making shit up to back your outrage. NZ did not bowl short in that test, nor did they celebrate wickets

No Quarter

@Siam I agree that the bowlers should be given more to work with. So many pitches seem to have about an hours worth of life, then it's a complete fucking road for 4 days before we get a bit of variable bounce on the 5th.

That's one of the main reasons I like he pink ball. Just creates a few more situations where the bowlers can get a bit of swing and seam, which makes it a great contest between bat and ball.

India copped a lot of shit a while ago for producing pitches that turned sideways. I really enjoyed those tests though, probably went a bit too far the other way but it was awesome seeing batsmen fight for every run. Made for enthralling viewing.

Chester Draws

With modern ODI and T20, the game is already set up for batsmen.

Cut the bowlers some slack and give them "worse" test pitches. Then a genuine attacking bowler is worth having.

Currently too many bowlers are aiming to be run savers, because that's where all the money is.

Siam

@no-quarter yep. I sometimes wonder if the novelty and spectator convenience of night tests masks the real appeal which is more chances for swing and seam bowling (they keep more grass on Adelaide oval to help preserve the ball) and a less run fest test match.

Jimmy Anderson didn't need to waste balls bowling short in his terrific spell the other day.

Just give the bowlers a bit of grass....as long as that doesn't reduce your revenue for the 5th day....which judging by the roads offered up in brisbane perth and Melbourne in the last 3 years, one has to wonder

NTA

https://twitter.com/MitchellGlenn/status/941896229042102272

MN5

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@mimic said in The Ashes:

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

Smith is an absolute freak. Right now he's seperated himself from the "chosen 4". Root, Kane and Kohli have some work to do to try & match his exploits.

Well, Root and Kohli do. Kane can't as we have no fucking tests scheduled.

What are you on about?
Kohli's has 6 double tons.. (3 of them in 2017)

His last 4 innings reads 104*, 213, 243, 50..

.... against Sri Lanka at home... who haven't exactly set the world on fire recently...

Don't get me wrong, Kohli is some player, but Smith is in a league of his own at the moment.

One can always find excuses.. Smith is batting on a road..
Heck, M. Marsh is on 181*, goes to show how shit England are..

Kohli has 6 test tons against Australia atm, with 5 of them in Australia.. I thought that was quite impressive..

Haha, OK, let's simplify things. Who has the better record overall?

Best overall record is a bit different to "separating himself from the chosen 4"
Smith has 22 tons, Kohli has 20. Still close. Kohli has more double tons.
In terms of runs, Root is close to Smith.
Smith's average is out there though, but it is inflated by his not outs.

If anyone is a freak, it's Kohli.

Batting Rankings..
Kohli #2 tests, #1 ODIs, #1 T20
Root #3 test, #6 ODIs, #7 T20
Kane #5 tests, #10 ODIs, #4 T20
Smith is #1 in tests, not in top 10 for ODIs or T20.

If you wanna see separation, just compare their ODI stats.

If you could only choose one of the chosen 4, I know who I'd choose. He ain't lesbian.

Without taking anything away from Smith the old not outs can help quite a bit. Pretty sure Brian Lara is second to only one man in terms of runs scored per test on average because when most of his contemporaries had around 20/30 not outs he had six in his entire career ( much of which was spent being the only decent player in a poor Windies team )

Baron Silas Greenback

This has been a bloody boring test series. Had as many twists, turns and nuances as a ruler

MN5

@baron-silas-greenback said in The Ashes:

This has been a bloody boring test series. Had as many twists, turns and nuances as a ruler

I'm sure the commentators pulling each other off at Marsh finally 'fulfilling his potential' and other such wank was amusing to hear though.

No Quarter

@chester-draws said in The Ashes:

With modern ODI and T20, the game is already set up for batsmen.

Cut the bowlers some slack and give them "worse" test pitches. Then a genuine attacking bowler is worth having.

Currently too many bowlers are aiming to be run savers, because that's where all the money is.

Yup, perfectly happy for the ODIs and T20s to be roads. Preferably teams bat their overs and the run chase is "can they get there in time". That's great viewing and gives people going to the game value for money. But tests should be a genuine contest between bat and ball.

MN5

@no-quarter said in The Ashes:

@chester-draws said in The Ashes:

With modern ODI and T20, the game is already set up for batsmen.

Cut the bowlers some slack and give them "worse" test pitches. Then a genuine attacking bowler is worth having.

Currently too many bowlers are aiming to be run savers, because that's where all the money is.

Yup, perfectly happy for the ODIs and T20s to be roads. Preferably teams bat their overs and the run chase is "can they get there in time". That's great viewing and gives people going to the game value for money. But tests should be a genuine contest between bat and ball.

India's utter obsession with batting over bowling doesn't help the world game either.

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