2017-18 World Sevens Series
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@kiwimurph Nice. Did he score any tries?
Anyone who tries to hold a 15 yo to a contract can suck a dick.
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NZRU say a big fuck you to the Warriors and play Nanai-Seturo who looks great for the ABs 7s who smoke Russia.
a contract is a contract though. He’s obviously tried to slip out the back door. If he’d followed the proper rules then I’m sure the warriors would’ve released him. He’s the one who signed for 5 years as a 15 yr old. Can’t blame the warriors for any of this. He trained with them all off season last year. Someone’s from nzrfu obviously been in his ear. Not a good look to start your career though.
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a contract is a contract though. He’s obviously tried to slip out the back door. If he’d followed the proper rules then I’m sure the warriors would’ve released him. He’s the one who signed for 5 years as a 15 yr old. Can’t blame the warriors for any of this. He trained with them all off season last year. Someone’s from nzrfu obviously been in his ear. Not a good look to start your career though.
@chchfanatic if " Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand" am not sure the Warriors can get that upset given they seem to gave tried to pull a swifty themselves.
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@chchfanatic if " Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand" am not sure the Warriors can get that upset given they seem to gave tried to pull a swifty themselves.
@booboo they had his parents there. Doesn’t it say something about that. I’m sure the warriors would’ve gone thru the proper channels. Just not a good look.
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"By naming him in the All Blacks Sevens team it appears that NZR doesn't think his contract with the Warriors holds any value. Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand.
However Nanai-Seturo is understood to have signed his agreement in conjunction with his parents and an agent so age should be irrelevant."
League media suggesting laws shouldn't count ...
@booboo said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
"By naming him in the All Blacks Sevens team it appears that NZR doesn't think his contract with the Warriors holds any value. Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand.
However Nanai-Seturo is understood to have signed his agreement in conjunction with his parents and an agent so age should be irrelevant."
League media suggesting laws shouldn't count ...
Is that true though? The law doesn't say that contracts signed by a minor are not deemed binding in New Zealand. A contract signed by a minor is not enforceable against a minor, which is something else. Also, if he is 18, he is not a minor anymore. This could be a continuing legal battle.
Contract and Commercial Law Act 2017
Contractual capacity of minors
86 Contracts unenforceable against minors but otherwise have effect
(1) Every contract entered into by a minor is unenforceable against the minor but otherwise has effect as if the minor were of full age.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a contract to which section 92(1) applies.
(3) This section is subject to sections 87 to 91.Any contract lawyers on the Fern?
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a contract is a contract though. He’s obviously tried to slip out the back door. If he’d followed the proper rules then I’m sure the warriors would’ve released him. He’s the one who signed for 5 years as a 15 yr old. Can’t blame the warriors for any of this. He trained with them all off season last year. Someone’s from nzrfu obviously been in his ear. Not a good look to start your career though.
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@booboo said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
"By naming him in the All Blacks Sevens team it appears that NZR doesn't think his contract with the Warriors holds any value. Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand.
However Nanai-Seturo is understood to have signed his agreement in conjunction with his parents and an agent so age should be irrelevant."
League media suggesting laws shouldn't count ...
Is that true though? The law doesn't say that contracts signed by a minor are not deemed binding in New Zealand. A contract signed by a minor is not enforceable against a minor, which is something else. Also, if he is 18, he is not a minor anymore. This could be a continuing legal battle.
Contract and Commercial Law Act 2017
Contractual capacity of minors
86 Contracts unenforceable against minors but otherwise have effect
(1) Every contract entered into by a minor is unenforceable against the minor but otherwise has effect as if the minor were of full age.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a contract to which section 92(1) applies.
(3) This section is subject to sections 87 to 91.Any contract lawyers on the Fern?
@stargazer yeah it’s an interesting case. Surely the nzrfu did their due diligence.
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Maybe lets wait until weve heard more information. A league journo writing an article that quotes his league agent who got the flick...
@kiwimurph and one that is League v Rugby, facts are probably optional.
If he signed a contract at 15 that wasnt binding due to his parents not being there, doesnt make it legal now he is 18.
You'd expect and hope BOTH parties (as in the Warriors and NZR) in this are acting within the parameters of what is legal.
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NZR would have to be 100% certain of their legal rights to have selected Nanai for Sydney. If he is not legally allowed to play rugby due to his RL contract then there is the risk that the NZ sevens team would have to forfeit games as they are playing an ineligible player.
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@booboo said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
"By naming him in the All Blacks Sevens team it appears that NZR doesn't think his contract with the Warriors holds any value. Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand.
However Nanai-Seturo is understood to have signed his agreement in conjunction with his parents and an agent so age should be irrelevant."
League media suggesting laws shouldn't count ...
Is that true though? The law doesn't say that contracts signed by a minor are not deemed binding in New Zealand. A contract signed by a minor is not enforceable against a minor, which is something else. Also, if he is 18, he is not a minor anymore. This could be a continuing legal battle.
Contract and Commercial Law Act 2017
Contractual capacity of minors
86 Contracts unenforceable against minors but otherwise have effect
(1) Every contract entered into by a minor is unenforceable against the minor but otherwise has effect as if the minor were of full age.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a contract to which section 92(1) applies.
(3) This section is subject to sections 87 to 91.Any contract lawyers on the Fern?
@stargazer said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@booboo said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
"By naming him in the All Blacks Sevens team it appears that NZR doesn't think his contract with the Warriors holds any value. Contracts signed by a minor (under 18) are not deemed binding in New Zealand.
However Nanai-Seturo is understood to have signed his agreement in conjunction with his parents and an agent so age should be irrelevant."
League media suggesting laws shouldn't count ...
Is that true though? The law doesn't say that contracts signed by a minor are not deemed binding in New Zealand. A contract signed by a minor is not enforceable against a minor, which is something else. Also, if he is 18, he is not a minor anymore. This could be a continuing legal battle.
Contract and Commercial Law Act 2017
Contractual capacity of minors
86 Contracts unenforceable against minors but otherwise have effect
(1) Every contract entered into by a minor is unenforceable against the minor but otherwise has effect as if the minor were of full age.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a contract to which section 92(1) applies.
(3) This section is subject to sections 87 to 91.Any contract lawyers on the Fern?
Contracts against minors are enforceable only to the extent that they are fair, reasonable and in the interests of the minor. See in particular
section 88 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2017/0005/21.0/DLM6844198.html). The presumption is that they are unenforceable but this is rebuttable by the side wanting to enforce it if they can show the contract is fair and reasonable (or at least the part they want to enforce is fair and reasonable).I would not like to speculate too much, but my instinct is that the length of time and the age in which he signed make this probably unenforceable against the player. A football player at 15 is not really in a position to lock himself into a club for 5 years where other options may present themselves.
On the other hand, the Warriors might point to the facts (AIUI):
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that the parents and an agent were involved in the preparation of the agreement
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the contract has already been partly performed (ie he has trained with the Warriors and been a part of their systems), meaning that Nanai-Seturo has probably already benefited a great deal from the contract already.
I suspect that the NZR and the Warriors will come to an arrangement that will sort it out fairly quickly. It's murky, neither side is guaranteed to win and if the Warriors won they would have a reluctant player anyway, so I would imagine NZR will write a small cheque and it will be smiles all round.
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NZR would have to be 100% certain of their legal rights to have selected Nanai for Sydney. If he is not legally allowed to play rugby due to his RL contract then there is the risk that the NZ sevens team would have to forfeit games as they are playing an ineligible player.
@bovidae said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
NZR would have to be 100% certain of their legal rights to have selected Nanai for Sydney. If he is not legally allowed to play rugby due to his RL contract then there is the risk that the NZ sevens team would have to forfeit games as they are playing an ineligible player.
That seems unlikely. They would only lose points if he was deemed ineligible by WR. Their list of criteria for ineligibility is not likely to contain whether he is the subject of a contract dispute with a rugby league club.
NZR might be liable for encouraging someone to breach a contract (very doubtful); but I am skeptical that they would face any in-competition penalties for this.
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The Black Ferns 7s will play their Cup QF against Ireland at 12.28pm. Live on SKY Sport Pop Up 1 (Sky Sport 5 - Ch 55).
@stargazer thanks (that'd be 9.28 here).
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a contract is a contract though. He’s obviously tried to slip out the back door. If he’d followed the proper rules then I’m sure the warriors would’ve released him. He’s the one who signed for 5 years as a 15 yr old. Can’t blame the warriors for any of this. He trained with them all off season last year. Someone’s from nzrfu obviously been in his ear. Not a good look to start your career though.
@chchfanatic said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
a contract is a contract though. He’s obviously tried to slip out the back door. If he’d followed the proper rules then I’m sure the warriors would’ve released him. He’s the one who signed for 5 years as a 15 yr old. Can’t blame the warriors for any of this. He trained with them all off season last year. Someone’s from nzrfu obviously been in his ear. Not a good look to start your career though.
You don't think the fact he was 15 is an issue? You don't think the Warriors might be better off not trying to sign guys in the 4th/5th form for 5 years?
Also, when did Nanai become hyphened?
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@chchfanatic said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
a contract is a contract though. He’s obviously tried to slip out the back door. If he’d followed the proper rules then I’m sure the warriors would’ve released him. He’s the one who signed for 5 years as a 15 yr old. Can’t blame the warriors for any of this. He trained with them all off season last year. Someone’s from nzrfu obviously been in his ear. Not a good look to start your career though.
You don't think the fact he was 15 is an issue? You don't think the Warriors might be better off not trying to sign guys in the 4th/5th form for 5 years?
Also, when did Nanai become hyphened?
@nepia obviously saw something in him. Personally I think 15 is far too young. But the fact is , he did sign as a 15 yr old for 5 seasons. If he wanted to get out of it , go through the proper procedure.
Is going on a scholarship to st Kent’s just the same as signing a contract at 13.
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@nepia obviously saw something in him. Personally I think 15 is far too young. But the fact is , he did sign as a 15 yr old for 5 seasons. If he wanted to get out of it , go through the proper procedure.
Is going on a scholarship to st Kent’s just the same as signing a contract at 13.
@chchfanatic said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@nepia obviously saw something in him. Personally I think 15 is far too young. But the fact is , he did sign as a 15 yr old for 5 seasons. If he wanted to get out of it , go through the proper procedure.
Is going on a scholarship to st Kent’s just the same as signing a contract at 13.
It's irrelevant what they saw in him, 15 years old is too young for a 5 year contract - the Warriors are supposed to be the adults, the professional organisation, they should know that a 15 year old is liable to change his mind in 4 years.
No, a school scholarship is not the same as signing a contract.
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The Black Ferns 7s are through to the semis after a 36 - 0 win against Ireland.
Except maybe Blyde's first try, the Ferns looked to play with the brakes on. Ireland simply not strong enough to get the best out of the Kiwi women.The Semi-Final will be at 3.59pm against the winner of the next QF (Canada v France).
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@chchfanatic said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@nepia obviously saw something in him. Personally I think 15 is far too young. But the fact is , he did sign as a 15 yr old for 5 seasons. If he wanted to get out of it , go through the proper procedure.
Is going on a scholarship to st Kent’s just the same as signing a contract at 13.
It's irrelevant what they saw in him, 15 years old is too young for a 5 year contract - the Warriors are supposed to be the adults, the professional organisation, they should know that a 15 year old is liable to change his mind in 4 years.
No, a school scholarship is not the same as signing a contract.
@nepia but he signed a contract. Yes I agree 5yrs for a 15 yr old is far too long. He had his parents(adults) there. All I’m saying is they signed a contract. If you want out then do it properly. I’m sure the warriors don’t want a player who doesn’t want to play for them.
The scholarship comment was tongue firmly in cheek.
